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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<description>You must be living in la la land.  Do your self a big favor.  Get the figures on how much of our market segments are own by imported (engineerd &amp; and assembled) products today compared to 30 years ago.  Then look at the other industrialized countries and you will notice if they make the products that they have over 70% of there market segment on key industries.  Even the off shore companies that assemble here have over 70% value of all the components made offshore.  Hell take a look at Lowes or Homedepot they also found out that we will take anything.  Do you really think the Elux refrig. are putting Germans out of work or did the German companies realize that if they build it in a third world country and usa will still take it!  Go to &quot;open free trade Europe&quot; once and see Sony 3X higher in price then here with there own products at lower prices.  Do you think they are doing free trade with Japan?  Hell no! Managed trade yes!  Try to import food products at cheaper prices to France once and they will start burning tires in the street.  Not to mention locking up CEO&#039;s in offices.  The European mindset is &quot;we don&#039;t care how good your products are, you are not going to take over our market and put us our of work&quot;.  We have a lifestyle that took thousands of year to make and we want to maintain it.  But no! in the USA both mom and dad must work to get in a neighbor hood with good schools and work harder and harder intill we drop.  That must be why Microsoft and others ask for green card status for Iran and India engineers.  Why? we don&#039;t have any here?  BS!  Oh ya china-mart was good so everyone could find stuff cheaper so they have the illusion that they have the same buying power.  There is and end game to that reasoning and we have hit it today!  I remember a computer prof. telling me we won&#039;t have to make anything 30 years ago.  I told him it will get easier to send files off shore then mfg. plants.  Ha! what do you think is happening now!  I remember the dot com bluff!  No brick/mortor, no machines, etc.  Just pure gambling and speculation. You know I predicted this event happen today.  Why! because the minute the politicans got on TV and said that the economy was good because housing starts are good, I thought oh no.  Let me see all the China $ can back for investments and the only place they could put it was in mortgages.  Sure buy this $300,000 house with zero down.  So let me understand this!  Banks have no risk right! They just sold the mortgages 10x over and everyone took a cut.  The bubble busted and banks said &quot;hell Mr. Sam better bail us out or the country will go into depression&quot;.  Just like sending my kids credit cards.  No risk on the bank, because if you default the new goverment law says you owe them for life. In the old days banks took on there own risk and the tax payers did not bail them out.  How many bank execs are in jail for this scam?  Do you blame them?  You mean we did not have any industrial growth to invest in? I guess not!  Poor banks.

Enough ranting!  Now the last industries on the block are in play!  Let&#039;s see the pharm companies had the politicians sign a law that said you can&#039;t buy pills from Canada.  These companies are the last ones kicking back right? Hell they have the same pills in Canada!  Market protection?  Health Care insurance protection.  Hay! why can&#039;t I deduct every dollar I spend on health care 1 for 1 on my taxes today.  Isn&#039;t the goverment worried about their citizens health needs.  Oh! I understand! that&#039;s what my 401K plan is for.  After I am broke then the gov. will give me something.  Funny! if I never wanted to work, even in good times, I will end up the same as the 12 children welfare families.  Hell thier kids go to college for free and I can&#039;t even get my own tax free account to save for mine.

Remember when you spit out and say industrial output you better put in actual dollars of product made here (includes usa components) and adjust for inflation over 30 years then compare it to the market segment overall value to get your percent.

One last thing! Service is just that service! Those called soft products.  Soft product usually services hard products.  Hard product you added value to when you sale, then and only then can soft product make $. This country is the big dog now. but when we can&#039;t buy anymore watch out!  No one is going to care how many jets and tanks we have.  They will be dictating to us.

Tell me somthing? What do you think I will cut out first since I am out of work.  Cell phone service, less insurance, less going out to eat, put up an old time TV antenna.  I have to fix my car but I don&#039;t need a new computer?


I remember when Japanese cars came to the usa.  Junk! then the Jap government gave them $ to retool 5X over to get it right.  Us? we had the bean counters in Detroit looking at the quarterly gamble on wall street running Detroit &quot;not the engineers&quot;.  Did you ever hear anyone say go out and buy BMW stock or Toyota stock to make $?  Did you know that GM makes half of BMW&#039;s transmissions.  Don&#039;t worry they will import from China with 150K mile warrenty bumper to bumper.  Did the UAW get out of control yes!  But are they also the reason anyone working today has health care insurance &quot;yes&quot;.  

When ever you have a transfer of industrial power going to other countries you sold it off for geo-political influence, or some special interest group took a cut.  Remember when you call in for your unemployment benifits don&#039;t press one for spanish! 

Ya! Ross Parot was right in the debate on TV.  The great sucking sound of jobs happen and it will take 8 to 10 years to get some of it back.

We need some very smart business people back in Washington and I don&#039;t mean bankers.  When the third generation young poor black guy yells, listen to him.  Someone work in automotive that&#039;s way he&#039;s north, but that someone could stand on his feet and make a living.  Now your telling him to work in service right.  What service McDonald&#039;s?  What the hell do you thing is going to happen.

This recession is being played by the media as a hiccup.  This depression will last a long time unless we get back industry.  No rich country in the world can be rich without industry.  By the term rich, I mean strong middle class buying power.

One of the big reason industry has servived in Europe is that they do invest heavy in automation and the goverments ease the burden of the investment.  I have to laugh when the southern congressmen say let Detroit go under.  They get the off shore companies free land freed buildings free roads and no taxes for 10 years.  I think one of the Toyota plants just came do on the 10 years and they said they were going to move unless they got another 10 years.  Way not tariff the importers that give workers free gov. heath and the other gov. social free benifits.  Yes import tariff would run about 3 to 5 thousand per car.  Is not that free and fair trade?  At least Parot would have gotten it right would have never made deals for other countries to sell here unless we had the better deal for our workforce and companies.  Not us.  Our politicans come cheap!

The only thing to due is vote every politician out. and put in new ones.  Keep doing it until they get the hint.  Continuity?  Do you really think anyone scared for their job or losing a house really cares?  Also, give them the cheapest HMO.  Remember we are the investors! Only we know whats good for our politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be living in la la land.  Do your self a big favor.  Get the figures on how much of our market segments are own by imported (engineerd &amp; and assembled) products today compared to 30 years ago.  Then look at the other industrialized countries and you will notice if they make the products that they have over 70% of there market segment on key industries.  Even the off shore companies that assemble here have over 70% value of all the components made offshore.  Hell take a look at Lowes or Homedepot they also found out that we will take anything.  Do you really think the Elux refrig. are putting Germans out of work or did the German companies realize that if they build it in a third world country and usa will still take it!  Go to &#8220;open free trade Europe&#8221; once and see Sony 3X higher in price then here with there own products at lower prices.  Do you think they are doing free trade with Japan?  Hell no! Managed trade yes!  Try to import food products at cheaper prices to France once and they will start burning tires in the street.  Not to mention locking up CEO&#8217;s in offices.  The European mindset is &#8220;we don&#8217;t care how good your products are, you are not going to take over our market and put us our of work&#8221;.  We have a lifestyle that took thousands of year to make and we want to maintain it.  But no! in the USA both mom and dad must work to get in a neighbor hood with good schools and work harder and harder intill we drop.  That must be why Microsoft and others ask for green card status for Iran and India engineers.  Why? we don&#8217;t have any here?  BS!  Oh ya china-mart was good so everyone could find stuff cheaper so they have the illusion that they have the same buying power.  There is and end game to that reasoning and we have hit it today!  I remember a computer prof. telling me we won&#8217;t have to make anything 30 years ago.  I told him it will get easier to send files off shore then mfg. plants.  Ha! what do you think is happening now!  I remember the dot com bluff!  No brick/mortor, no machines, etc.  Just pure gambling and speculation. You know I predicted this event happen today.  Why! because the minute the politicans got on TV and said that the economy was good because housing starts are good, I thought oh no.  Let me see all the China $ can back for investments and the only place they could put it was in mortgages.  Sure buy this $300,000 house with zero down.  So let me understand this!  Banks have no risk right! They just sold the mortgages 10x over and everyone took a cut.  The bubble busted and banks said &#8220;hell Mr. Sam better bail us out or the country will go into depression&#8221;.  Just like sending my kids credit cards.  No risk on the bank, because if you default the new goverment law says you owe them for life. In the old days banks took on there own risk and the tax payers did not bail them out.  How many bank execs are in jail for this scam?  Do you blame them?  You mean we did not have any industrial growth to invest in? I guess not!  Poor banks.</p>
<p>Enough ranting!  Now the last industries on the block are in play!  Let&#8217;s see the pharm companies had the politicians sign a law that said you can&#8217;t buy pills from Canada.  These companies are the last ones kicking back right? Hell they have the same pills in Canada!  Market protection?  Health Care insurance protection.  Hay! why can&#8217;t I deduct every dollar I spend on health care 1 for 1 on my taxes today.  Isn&#8217;t the goverment worried about their citizens health needs.  Oh! I understand! that&#8217;s what my 401K plan is for.  After I am broke then the gov. will give me something.  Funny! if I never wanted to work, even in good times, I will end up the same as the 12 children welfare families.  Hell thier kids go to college for free and I can&#8217;t even get my own tax free account to save for mine.</p>
<p>Remember when you spit out and say industrial output you better put in actual dollars of product made here (includes usa components) and adjust for inflation over 30 years then compare it to the market segment overall value to get your percent.</p>
<p>One last thing! Service is just that service! Those called soft products.  Soft product usually services hard products.  Hard product you added value to when you sale, then and only then can soft product make $. This country is the big dog now. but when we can&#8217;t buy anymore watch out!  No one is going to care how many jets and tanks we have.  They will be dictating to us.</p>
<p>Tell me somthing? What do you think I will cut out first since I am out of work.  Cell phone service, less insurance, less going out to eat, put up an old time TV antenna.  I have to fix my car but I don&#8217;t need a new computer?</p>
<p>I remember when Japanese cars came to the usa.  Junk! then the Jap government gave them $ to retool 5X over to get it right.  Us? we had the bean counters in Detroit looking at the quarterly gamble on wall street running Detroit &#8220;not the engineers&#8221;.  Did you ever hear anyone say go out and buy BMW stock or Toyota stock to make $?  Did you know that GM makes half of BMW&#8217;s transmissions.  Don&#8217;t worry they will import from China with 150K mile warrenty bumper to bumper.  Did the UAW get out of control yes!  But are they also the reason anyone working today has health care insurance &#8220;yes&#8221;.  </p>
<p>When ever you have a transfer of industrial power going to other countries you sold it off for geo-political influence, or some special interest group took a cut.  Remember when you call in for your unemployment benifits don&#8217;t press one for spanish! </p>
<p>Ya! Ross Parot was right in the debate on TV.  The great sucking sound of jobs happen and it will take 8 to 10 years to get some of it back.</p>
<p>We need some very smart business people back in Washington and I don&#8217;t mean bankers.  When the third generation young poor black guy yells, listen to him.  Someone work in automotive that&#8217;s way he&#8217;s north, but that someone could stand on his feet and make a living.  Now your telling him to work in service right.  What service McDonald&#8217;s?  What the hell do you thing is going to happen.</p>
<p>This recession is being played by the media as a hiccup.  This depression will last a long time unless we get back industry.  No rich country in the world can be rich without industry.  By the term rich, I mean strong middle class buying power.</p>
<p>One of the big reason industry has servived in Europe is that they do invest heavy in automation and the goverments ease the burden of the investment.  I have to laugh when the southern congressmen say let Detroit go under.  They get the off shore companies free land freed buildings free roads and no taxes for 10 years.  I think one of the Toyota plants just came do on the 10 years and they said they were going to move unless they got another 10 years.  Way not tariff the importers that give workers free gov. heath and the other gov. social free benifits.  Yes import tariff would run about 3 to 5 thousand per car.  Is not that free and fair trade?  At least Parot would have gotten it right would have never made deals for other countries to sell here unless we had the better deal for our workforce and companies.  Not us.  Our politicans come cheap!</p>
<p>The only thing to due is vote every politician out. and put in new ones.  Keep doing it until they get the hint.  Continuity?  Do you really think anyone scared for their job or losing a house really cares?  Also, give them the cheapest HMO.  Remember we are the investors! Only we know whats good for our politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Burley</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2006/02/we_dont_make_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-1936</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Burley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m posting here at this point only because the last two comments on this thread are so absolutely idiotic that they deserve a response, even if no one ever reads my response.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First of all, youth employment is high because no business owner in their right mind is going to give some barely literate, disrespectful, moronic dumbass public-school educated doofus a job at $7.40/hour, when they can employ a man or woman who is looking for a part-time job to supplement their family incomes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, to paraphrase John Galt in Atlas Shrugged, &quot;there&#039;s no such thing as meaningless work, only meaningless people who refuse to do it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thirdly, I wonder exactly where Fritz lives, because it is obvious from his comment that he is either stupid or lives somewhere that is run by socialist politicians who have driven all the business out of the area. In most communities, and I do mean MOST, there is such a thing as &quot;an industrial park&quot; that usually has anywhere from 2 to 12 manufacturers in it. It is true that many of them are small, and have less than 100 employees, but truth is, America was built on, and continues to thrive on, small business, that typically employs less than 100 people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the internet, and the public funding of libraries, there&#039;s no excuse for people to be this stupid when it comes to economics. Before you speak again and prove to all involved what a moron you are, try reading something other than the local UAW rag, put out by people who have no clue about economics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m posting here at this point only because the last two comments on this thread are so absolutely idiotic that they deserve a response, even if no one ever reads my response.</p>
<p>First of all, youth employment is high because no business owner in their right mind is going to give some barely literate, disrespectful, moronic dumbass public-school educated doofus a job at $7.40/hour, when they can employ a man or woman who is looking for a part-time job to supplement their family incomes.</p>
<p>Secondly, to paraphrase John Galt in Atlas Shrugged, &quot;there&#39;s no such thing as meaningless work, only meaningless people who refuse to do it.&quot;</p>
<p>Thirdly, I wonder exactly where Fritz lives, because it is obvious from his comment that he is either stupid or lives somewhere that is run by socialist politicians who have driven all the business out of the area. In most communities, and I do mean MOST, there is such a thing as &quot;an industrial park&quot; that usually has anywhere from 2 to 12 manufacturers in it. It is true that many of them are small, and have less than 100 employees, but truth is, America was built on, and continues to thrive on, small business, that typically employs less than 100 people.</p>
<p>With the internet, and the public funding of libraries, there&#39;s no excuse for people to be this stupid when it comes to economics. Before you speak again and prove to all involved what a moron you are, try reading something other than the local UAW rag, put out by people who have no clue about economics.</p>
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		<title>By: flurries</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2006/02/we_dont_make_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator>flurries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the US is making all of this stuff... where is it? Most of the consumer goods are made in other countries. Why does the US have such huge trade deficits?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the US is making all of this stuff&#8230; where is it? Most of the consumer goods are made in other countries. Why does the US have such huge trade deficits?</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2006/02/we_dont_make_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-1934</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Youth unemployment is high because no one in their right mind wants to attempt to make a living at some poor-paying, soul-sucking service job. Many young people have the freedom to choose whether or not to take these jobs, and they increasingly choose not to. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People don&#039;t just need jobs. They need jobs that provide meaningful work that will provide a reasonable standard of living for their efforts. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I lived in a ghetto, I&#039;d sell drugs and shoot it out with rival gangs, too. At least I&#039;d have my pride. How much self-esteem can someone derive from being a Walmart greeter?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youth unemployment is high because no one in their right mind wants to attempt to make a living at some poor-paying, soul-sucking service job. Many young people have the freedom to choose whether or not to take these jobs, and they increasingly choose not to. </p>
<p>People don&#39;t just need jobs. They need jobs that provide meaningful work that will provide a reasonable standard of living for their efforts. </p>
<p>If I lived in a ghetto, I&#39;d sell drugs and shoot it out with rival gangs, too. At least I&#39;d have my pride. How much self-esteem can someone derive from being a Walmart greeter?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we were not exporting low-skill labor offshore, we would be giving it to robots.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can&#039;t become rich without becoming more skilled.  Period.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The US still beats most OECD countries on labor force participation, despite recent US decreases.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However it is true that youth unemployment (not labor force participation, but people 18-25 who want to work) is high.  US black youth unemployment is about 26%.  Reasons are probably a combination of minimum wage, poor performance by public schools, and the drug war.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were not exporting low-skill labor offshore, we would be giving it to robots.</p>
<p>You can&#39;t become rich without becoming more skilled.  Period.</p>
<p>The US still beats most OECD countries on labor force participation, despite recent US decreases.</p>
<p>However it is true that youth unemployment (not labor force participation, but people 18-25 who want to work) is high.  US black youth unemployment is about 26%.  Reasons are probably a combination of minimum wage, poor performance by public schools, and the drug war.</p>
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