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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fascinating. So many threads re. reputations, reviews, policy, who should speak and about what.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is an arc to matters such as this AGW situation. And that arc sometimes covers centuries. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The AGW matter is likely to be decided within the next decade - primarily by better measurements* and experience**. There is no reason to panic or issue absolutist manifestos; those insisting we have only five years or five months or five minutes to adopt their solution are simply silly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An enormous amount of effort is now being made to gather higher quality data. In my opinion the best will come from satellites monitoring both the Earth itself and radiation from and into space. I doubt that past records and reconstructions of past climate can resolve this debate - they just aren&#039;t good enough and every single one can be reasonably quarreled about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;**experience is the trump. If the climate does not grow warmer then no theory or skill of scientists will warm it. Conversely, if warming persists, then complete micro regulation of all economic activity cannot be avoided.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. So many threads re. reputations, reviews, policy, who should speak and about what.</p>
<p>There is an arc to matters such as this AGW situation. And that arc sometimes covers centuries. </p>
<p>The AGW matter is likely to be decided within the next decade &#8211; primarily by better measurements* and experience**. There is no reason to panic or issue absolutist manifestos; those insisting we have only five years or five months or five minutes to adopt their solution are simply silly.</p>
<p>An enormous amount of effort is now being made to gather higher quality data. In my opinion the best will come from satellites monitoring both the Earth itself and radiation from and into space. I doubt that past records and reconstructions of past climate can resolve this debate &#8211; they just aren&#39;t good enough and every single one can be reasonably quarreled about.</p>
<p>**experience is the trump. If the climate does not grow warmer then no theory or skill of scientists will warm it. Conversely, if warming persists, then complete micro regulation of all economic activity cannot be avoided.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim, You make a great argument for why agnostics and atheists should go to church. However, to those stakeholders, the argument is completely unconvincing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem with &quot;doing something to hedge our bets&quot; on GW is that everything that is on the table will raise the cost of energy. Energy is what makes continuing increases in productivity possible because it can be converted to automated production. Additionally, it powers the things that make life more interesting, like travel, night life, cooking, etc. Now, if you&#039;d like to put the idea of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere rather than just capping what goes in, you might find skeptics willing to give that a go. But &quot;we can fix it&quot; i against the environmentalist religion, so don&#039;t hold your breath...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, You make a great argument for why agnostics and atheists should go to church. However, to those stakeholders, the argument is completely unconvincing.</p>
<p>The problem with &quot;doing something to hedge our bets&quot; on GW is that everything that is on the table will raise the cost of energy. Energy is what makes continuing increases in productivity possible because it can be converted to automated production. Additionally, it powers the things that make life more interesting, like travel, night life, cooking, etc. Now, if you&#39;d like to put the idea of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere rather than just capping what goes in, you might find skeptics willing to give that a go. But &quot;we can fix it&quot; i against the environmentalist religion, so don&#39;t hold your breath&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Economists do have a qualification for addressing climate science, which is ability in statistics. Climate trends are all about statistics. I would venture that economists can match climate scientists in this area.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economists do have a qualification for addressing climate science, which is ability in statistics. Climate trends are all about statistics. I would venture that economists can match climate scientists in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: colson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 10:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sanjiv -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;McKitrick does take a stance on the subject because he is one of the economists who have called many climatologists to task on the methods and statistics they are using. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Furthermore McKitrick does teach environmental economics so I would think, to a degree, that he would have some knowledge in the area to make a conlcusion that essentially states - let the opposing view be heard. Does he have some motive? Maybe, he&#039;s written a book about the data and statistics used in many of the &#039;leading&#039; studies (mainly the Mann tree-ring study and hockey stick graphs). But is publishing a book on data and statistics somehow biased? I doubt it. McKintrick is still very much adhering to the scientific process - testing the claims not seeking legislation or public policy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanjiv -</p>
<p>McKitrick does take a stance on the subject because he is one of the economists who have called many climatologists to task on the methods and statistics they are using. </p>
<p>Furthermore McKitrick does teach environmental economics so I would think, to a degree, that he would have some knowledge in the area to make a conlcusion that essentially states &#8211; let the opposing view be heard. Does he have some motive? Maybe, he&#39;s written a book about the data and statistics used in many of the &#39;leading&#39; studies (mainly the Mann tree-ring study and hockey stick graphs). But is publishing a book on data and statistics somehow biased? I doubt it. McKintrick is still very much adhering to the scientific process &#8211; testing the claims not seeking legislation or public policy.</p>
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