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		<title>By: Vicodin without prescription.</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2007/06/wages_in_china.html/comment-page-1#comment-55860</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicodin without prescription.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vicodin....&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vicodin&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Vicodin withdrawl. Vicodin no prescription. Vicodin. House fox vicodin. Vicodin without a prescription&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Objectivist</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2007/06/wages_in_china.html/comment-page-1#comment-13566</link>
		<dc:creator>Objectivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;  If only we could get rid of unions altogether.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  If only we could get rid of unions altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray G</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2007/06/wages_in_china.html/comment-page-1#comment-13565</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s the perfect cartoon for this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://catbirdseat.typepad.com/the_catbird_seat/2007/04/the_good_ol_day.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s kind of a chicken and egg type scenario. Which came first? Industry/jobs or the union? In this setting, it is easy to see that the union is more of a parasite on the economy, temporarily benefitting the union, while sucking away economic life from other areas. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s the perfect cartoon for this.</p>
<p><a href="http://catbirdseat.typepad.com/the_catbird_seat/2007/04/the_good_ol_day.html" rel="nofollow">http://catbirdseat.typepad.com/the_catbird_seat/2007/04/the_good_ol_day.html</a></p>
<p>It&#39;s kind of a chicken and egg type scenario. Which came first? Industry/jobs or the union? In this setting, it is easy to see that the union is more of a parasite on the economy, temporarily benefitting the union, while sucking away economic life from other areas. </p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2007/06/wages_in_china.html/comment-page-1#comment-13567</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Look at how many of our home grown intellectuals of the left wing still refuse to embrace free market capitalism. Why would we expect the ChiComs to do so?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;ve passed laws protecting private property. They&#039;ve premitted foreign investment in productive capacity; which means they are accepting the reality of the profit motive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Look at how many of our home grown intellectuals of the left wing still refuse to embrace free market capitalism. Why would we expect the ChiComs to do so?</i></p>
<p>They&#39;ve passed laws protecting private property. They&#39;ve premitted foreign investment in productive capacity; which means they are accepting the reality of the profit motive.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2007/06/wages_in_china.html/comment-page-1#comment-13573</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;James,&lt;br /&gt;
Well, I could see your point had the Great Leap Forward ever actually created a dime (Yuan) of wealth to share, but as it, and all successive communistic efforts, were all total disasters. Such so that the leaders of China would assumably reduce the incomes of the workers as they had no way to increase them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your current economic reality in China today, particularly in large industrial cities, is such that there is actually some wealth to share, hence the possibility of rising wages for those workers who are participating. This is the stark difference between the bad ole&#039; days and the improving days of current times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am not tied to this theory, it was just a proposition that rising wages in China is not necessarily an indication of anything, except rising wages, at this time. The track record of what is happening in China is relatively short. I am not ready to believe that China has embraced free market capitalism just yet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look at how many of our home grown intellectuals of the left wing still refuse to embrace free market capitalism. Why would we expect the ChiComs to do so?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
Well, I could see your point had the Great Leap Forward ever actually created a dime (Yuan) of wealth to share, but as it, and all successive communistic efforts, were all total disasters. Such so that the leaders of China would assumably reduce the incomes of the workers as they had no way to increase them.</p>
<p>Your current economic reality in China today, particularly in large industrial cities, is such that there is actually some wealth to share, hence the possibility of rising wages for those workers who are participating. This is the stark difference between the bad ole&#39; days and the improving days of current times.</p>
<p>I am not tied to this theory, it was just a proposition that rising wages in China is not necessarily an indication of anything, except rising wages, at this time. The track record of what is happening in China is relatively short. I am not ready to believe that China has embraced free market capitalism just yet.</p>
<p>Look at how many of our home grown intellectuals of the left wing still refuse to embrace free market capitalism. Why would we expect the ChiComs to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;St. Wendeler, you mean the unions seek to create a labour monopoly?  Of course the do!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And for all the reasons you stated and his previous experience with labour unions in the Soviet Union, my father refused to join one when he came to the United States.  He is the only non-union worker in his organization.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St. Wendeler, you mean the unions seek to create a labour monopoly?  Of course the do!</p>
<p>And for all the reasons you stated and his previous experience with labour unions in the Soviet Union, my father refused to join one when he came to the United States.  He is the only non-union worker in his organization.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Vidyohs,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If, as you suggest, the rise in wages is the result of government direction, we should have seen wages rising quickly from the Great Leap Forward to the late 1970s and slowing in recent years.  The reality has been entirely the opposite.  The rate of wage growth in China didn&#039;t begin to take off until the reforms leading to less government direction and more reliance on market forces. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vidyohs,</p>
<p>If, as you suggest, the rise in wages is the result of government direction, we should have seen wages rising quickly from the Great Leap Forward to the late 1970s and slowing in recent years.  The reality has been entirely the opposite.  The rate of wage growth in China didn&#39;t begin to take off until the reforms leading to less government direction and more reliance on market forces. </p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;    Perhaps you overlook the fact that Karl Marx said that the labor union is the most perfect form of communism. Though China&#039;s leaders are opening up their economy to a controlled form of capitalism, does this necessarily mean that they have also loosened their grip on their control of labor? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps the rise in wages is the result of government direction as much as the result of market forces.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would like to believe that you are correct, but somehow something inside me is still saying probably not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>    Perhaps you overlook the fact that Karl Marx said that the labor union is the most perfect form of communism. Though China&#39;s leaders are opening up their economy to a controlled form of capitalism, does this necessarily mean that they have also loosened their grip on their control of labor? </p>
<p>Perhaps the rise in wages is the result of government direction as much as the result of market forces.</p>
<p>I would like to believe that you are correct, but somehow something inside me is still saying probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: St Wendeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>St Wendeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course, this argument against the inability of labor unions to impact wages assumes that increasing wages is their primary objective.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, while they pay lip service to that, I would say that their primary objective is to:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. create a group of people who are tethered to and dependent on the union for their livelihood, which&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. consolidates power in the heads of the unions, which&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. provides political capital for those of a particular political party.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just saying...  If you look at it from the perspective that their mission is to increase wages, they have no impact.  If you look at it from the perspective that their mission is to create dependency and deliver votes year after year to the Left, they seem to be very successful at that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Look at what they do and not what they say.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;
St Wendeler&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://rovianconspiracy.blogspot.com/2007/06/labor-unions-what-are-they-good-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another Rovian Conspiracy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, this argument against the inability of labor unions to impact wages assumes that increasing wages is their primary objective.</p>
<p>Of course, while they pay lip service to that, I would say that their primary objective is to:</p>
<p>1. create a group of people who are tethered to and dependent on the union for their livelihood, which</p>
<p>2. consolidates power in the heads of the unions, which</p>
<p>3. provides political capital for those of a particular political party.</p>
<p>Just saying&#8230;  If you look at it from the perspective that their mission is to increase wages, they have no impact.  If you look at it from the perspective that their mission is to create dependency and deliver votes year after year to the Left, they seem to be very successful at that.</p>
<p><b>Look at what they do and not what they say.</b></p>
<p>Regards,<br />
St Wendeler<br />
<a href="http://rovianconspiracy.blogspot.com/2007/06/labor-unions-what-are-they-good-for.html" rel="nofollow">Another Rovian Conspiracy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wojtek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wojtek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Possibly, but then they would also depress wages in other sectors -- keeping the average constant, or perhaps lower it through decreased overall average productivity per capita.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly, but then they would also depress wages in other sectors &#8212; keeping the average constant, or perhaps lower it through decreased overall average productivity per capita.</p>
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		<title>By: David P. Graf</title>
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		<dc:creator>David P. Graf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Could it be that labor unions do bump up wages and benefits in the industries where they&#039;re strongest?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that labor unions do bump up wages and benefits in the industries where they&#39;re strongest?</p>
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