Newsflash: Africans Swamped by Too Many Goods!!!

by Don Boudreaux on August 23, 2007

in Myths and Fallacies, Trade

Among the notions commonly wheeled out to signal faux-sophistication is the alleged fact that freer trade creates both winners and losers.  But, as regular patrons of the Cafe know, I disagree with this claim, for it is really to say that consumer sovereignty — or competition — has winners and losers.  Every time consumers shift their patronage from merchant A to merchant B, merchant A and his suppliers suffer an immediate loss (regardless of the physical location of merchant B).  But a longer time perspective is necessary to judge just how significant and relevant are the immediate losses suffered by merchant A and his suppliers.

In this earlier post I elaborate more fully on this point.

Tuesday’s New York Times had this below-the-fold front-page report on how freer trade with the Chinese is creating "winners" and "losers" among Africans — the losers being African firms and would-be entrepreneurs who would, in the absence of trade with China, allegedly produce and supply many of the goods that the Chinese now are supplying to Africans.  In response, I sent this letter:

You complain that China is "exporting huge volumes of finished,
manufactured goods – T-shirts, flashlights, radios and socks, just to
name a few – to [African] countries, hampering Africa’s ability to make
its own products and develop healthy, diverse economies" ("China’s
Trade in Africa Carries a Price Tag," August 21).

Are you
suggesting that Chinese producers (perhaps along with producers in
other non-African countries) are supplying Africa with all of the goods
that Africans can possibly desire?  Do you mean to say that Africans
are now so utterly sated with material goods that nothing remains for
any domestic entrepreneurs to produce for them?

Who knew?!  I
thought that Africans generally are desperately poor, lacking in many
cases even the everyday goods and services that we Americans take for
granted.

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  • Nick

    What I like is how stories about trade "losers" never seem to try to consider the net effect. Why not mention the domestic "winners" as well? Or would all those people buying this stuff really be better off if they ran around naked in the dark?

  • The pernicious virulence with which 'self-sufficiency' evinces in all sorts of persuasions really troubles me. It seems that even classical liberals sometimes imagine past growth as inevitable and thus replicable, here and elsewhere. The profound ability of humans who don't know each other to interact in such a way that has produced so much dynamism is so defined in the emergence of trancient and scattered particulars. Simply because we have managed to come closer to abstractly understand human action doesn't mean we can eventually design it, like some seem to advocate. It's like saying to people from underdeveloped places "well, that's nice you like micro-chips? sorry fella you have to begin with factories, black smoke and all".


    It seems that CLs in social democracies are vulnerable to exhibit this curious historical reductionism. Is it because of an attachment to the nation-state paradigm, which has carried on the mercantalist tradtion?

  • tiger

    The premise of the NY Times article is the age old socialist mantra: When there is trade of capital goods somebody wins and somebody loses=usually the poor people and the rich people take the poor person's dollar and leaves them twenty cents blah, blah blah. This presupposes that there is a finite amount of money, goods and services out there and that the big bullies always end up getting the lion's share. That money is simply traded back and forth and the only way to alleviate the "tyranny of ownership" is to divide it up and redistribute it. It's easy to understand how one might feel that way...if one know absolutely nothing of free trade and capitalism. The fact is that wealth (money, property, goods, etc.) are created when free trade is allowed to work. And in fact, all people grow wealthier the freer the trade.

  • John Pertz

    Ive never understood why a newspaper with such a forward looking, cosmopolitan outlook has such an anachronistic view of trade policy.

  • Shakespeare's Fool

    Sandeep Prakash,


    Great point:


    "It's like saying to people from underdeveloped places 'well, that's nice you like micro-chips? sorry fella you have to begin with factories, black smoke and all'".


    (Even though I thought you were going to say, ". . .you like micro-chips? Sorry fella you're just going to have wait until you figure out how to make them yourself!")


    John

  • Sandy;


    I agree with the point on not having to start with some outdated image of 19th century Britain or some such scenario, but I don't see where the evil old "self-sufficiency" thing was introduced.


    Perhaps you're bringing baggage to the discussion and speaking past the relevant points?


    No one of a rational mind that I have read is suggesting that Africa - in the spirit of self-sufficiency - make themselves economically dynamic. The more basic point seems to be that of course Africa has no shortage of demand or need, and so how can anyone even imply that perhaps they have too many goods? From anywhere?


    What the Times is saying, is that a protectionist agenda would be in the Africans' favor, which would of course restrict trade, retard the flow of information and what wealth was produced, would be to some thuggish oligarchy with a tin-pot dictator in the center.

  • muirgeo

    Aren't we forgetting that China is a communist country? It has nothing to do with libertarianism. Pre-WW2 Germany and Italy had great economies too. The wealthy in our country envied Hitler and Mussolini and wanted to overthrow FDR so they could have what Germany and Mussolini had. Why do we root for China? Are they our shining example of liberty and free markets? Seems we're not selling China the rope to hang us with. We are buying it from them with the promised trade agreement that they would have to buy and assemble the gallows here in which they can us it on us.

  • SaulOhio

    muirgeo: Again, more misconceptions and bad facts. China may have a government composed of people who believe in communism, and openly espouse it, but reality has sunk in enough that they have allowed capitalism to take a very strong hold. They have allowed private property, the defining aspect of capitalism. They are freeing the economy more and more, learning to establish the rule of law.


    And Nazi Germany was no better than Depression era America. If people here envied the Germans under Nazi rule, it was all based on propaganda.


    From "Four Thousand Years of Price Control"

    http://www.mises.org/story/1962:
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    At the end of World War II American central planners were even more totalitarian when it came to economic policy than were the former Nazis. During the post-war occupation of Germany, American "planners" rather liked the Nazi economic controls, including price controls, that were in fact preventing economic recovery. The notorious Nazi Hermann Goering even lectured the American war correspondent Henry Taylor about it! As recounted by Schuettinger and Butler, Goering said:


    Your America is doing many things in the economic field which we found out caused us so much trouble. You are trying to control peoples' wages and prices — peoples' work. If you do that you must control peoples' lives. And no country can do that part way. I tried and it failed. Nor can any country do it all the way either. I tried that too and it failed. You are no better planners than we. I should think your economists would read what happened here.


    Price controls were finally ended in Germany by Economic Minister Ludwig Erhard in 1948, on a Sunday, when the American occupation authorities would be out of their offices and unable to stop him. This spawned the "German economic miracle."

  • muirgeo

    SaulOhio,


    My America proposed a 1 billion dollar fund to help transition hardworking middle class people out of their poor decision with their sub-prime loan. Real America (Republican/Libertarian America) bailed out $100 million dollar per year hedge fund managers and the Wall street paper pushers with a $20 billion dollar bailout and a premature drop in the federal lending rate.


    Which one of these America's do you choose Saul? Who's getting more welfare from you and your tax dollar?

  • Muirgo, what the hell are you talking about? Who would be better off if the Africans and the Chinese stopped trading with one another? Who would win? Trick question of course, they would both lose. The Chinese people are, without question, better off now than they were 20 years ago. The Africans would certainly be worse off as well if they couldn't buy all the things they can now. As a matter of fact, China is a shining example of capitalism in action. As soon as they changed from their Maoist ways and embraced more and more capitalist ideas, they raised millions of people out of poverty and continue to do so. It takes a while, but the more they do, the better off the Chinese get. And because trade is a win-win situation, we get better along with them...


    Isaac

  • SaulOhio

    muirgeo makes a typical statist debating move: You point out facts that prove him wrong, and he tries to change the subject by naming anti-free-market policies in America. Whats your point? I DON'T think government should be bailing out people who make bad lending and borrowing decisions. It just encourages them to make similar bad decisions in the future. And such bailouts are inconsistent with a free market, and the whole banking/monetary system is a marriage of government and private market institutions which continues to foster such bad decisions. So whats your point? Are you criticising this system, or trying to tell me I am dependant on it, or trying to equate it with a free market? Are you repeating the fallacy I started complaining about, the idea that what America does is free market because it is what America does, and America is a symbol of free market capitalism? What is your point????

  • muirgeo

    "I DON'T think government should be bailing out people who make bad lending and borrowing decisions. "




    Do you understand how the Chinese government manipulates markets to its favor? These controls they exert have nothing to do with competitive markets. You're pointing to them as a shining example of capitalism but in fact they have a very centrally planned economy set to do well in the world market via manipulation of currency, labor maltreatment and flooding markets with under-priced goods.


    Your comfort with what China does, what the world economy is doing and its contrast with anything libertarian borders on schizophrenia. There's no internally consist ideological principals that I can find. Could you please point them out to me..your core principles?

  • Dan

    Muirgeo,


    I don't think that he is saying that China is "a shining example of capitalism". He is saying that the citizens of China have experienced an increase in wealth, standard of living, etc. because China is moving away from the Communist economic model towards a free trade, capitalist model.


    There still have a long way to go, but they are moving in the right direction...slowly.

  • SaulOhio

    Dan's got it right. Why can he understand what I am saying while muirgeo gets it all wrong?

  • muirgeo

    "So whats your point? Are you criticising this system, or trying to tell me I am dependant on it, or trying to equate it with a free market?"


    Yes Saul, don't try to tell me that what's happening in China has anything to do with free/competitive markets. That's my point. I admit that it very well may be for the better of China and Africa but I'm still very very skeptical of that from a long term perspective. I think the idea that China will break free of it's totaliatarianism is gaurded and that we will/are sliding more towards it seems likely.

  • Geech

    "Dan's got it right. Why can he understand what I am saying while muirgeo gets it all wrong?"


    Muirgeo doesn't need a purpose; muirgeo is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why muirgeo is muirgeo.

  • SaulOhio

    muirgeo: Freedom is not an all or nothing proposition. People in China have SOME freedom. They have property rights, but those rights are often not properly defined, recognised, or protected. But the extent that they have them has allowed them to prosper. The fact that they have done so well is a tribute to their intelligence, ambition, and their work ethic. They are good, hard-working people, and I share your worries that they may find themselves slipping back into a more totalitarian regime.

  • Dan

    They, not there. Whoops.

  • muirgeo:

    Pre-WW2 Germany and Italy had great economies too. The wealthy in our country envied Hitler and Mussolini


    Actually the German economy was a house of cards helped greatly by foreign investment, much of it American, but it was not sustainable which even a casual study of facts will show you to be true.


    And you are correct that many, wealthy and non-wealthy, admired the command economy of Hitler and Mussolini. The NY Times even reported that perhaps it was time for such a change in America.


    Those that admired the dictators tended to be FDR supporters and were fully behind FDR's efforts at further nationalization of the country in his "emergency" status of saving the American economy.


    Those that wanted an overthrow of FDR actually feared that he would indeed bring about a dictatorship. This sounds absurd now of course, but with the NY Times and other trumpeting the idea that such a command structure would be beneficial, and with FDR's blatant disregard for the Constitution and individual rights in general, their fears were not that far-fetched.


    In other words, those wanting an American dictator-ran economy were FDR supporters, and they thought FDR would be the perfect candidate.

  • Also, I reread the posts and did not see anyone take on the ridiculous notion that someone is taking sides i.e. "we're on China's side."


    There's no side to this, though such a reaction is not surprising in context to muir's basically left wing outlook. Everything boils down to conflict of class and state.


    The point is of course that with free trade, everyone wins in the long run, Africans and Chinese both, and the rest of the world too if they get good at it.

  • I believe freer trade is make healthy competition and which yield the result of better quality and lower price. Take for an example since China joined in WTO later than some other countries like India, it is still having some trade barriers. In coming years when those barriers get finish, China will be big compete country then now.

    Desiccants

  • Those language translation programs still have much to be desired.

  • Muirgeo, et al, are very much caught up in the game of 'us v them'.


    Perhaps it is not possible for them to make the philosophical transition that libertarians have made.

  • The Dirty Mac

    "My America proposed a 1 billion dollar fund to help transition hardworking middle class people out of their poor decision with their sub-prime loan."


    Lets make it $2 billion and get it done quick. I have a payment due next week. While I would not be considered sub-prime, I can certainly make arrangements to become categorized as such.

  • muirgeo

    Lets make it $2 billion and get it done quick. I have a payment due next week. While I would not be considered sub-prime, I can certainly make arrangements to become categorized as such.


    Posted by: The Dirty Mac | Aug 25, 2007 8:24:05 PM



    No, Mac see they did put in $50 billion...but you don't get any of it. You do however get to pay interest and inflationary expenses on it.


    I know you're trying to be funny but what's really funny is some one like you making fun of a situation that involves yourself getting reamed. You're like the abused wommen who, "stands by her man".

  • The Dirty Mac

    No Muirgeo its not funny. There are dozens (maybe hundreds) of federal, state, local programs designed to get people into houses they can't afford. Now we can have programs to get those same people out from under their debt. And of course, nobody can possibly see the connection. I sure am getting reamed to fulfill the entitlement for people to buy houses they have not saved for and then for the entitlement to keep a house they cannot afford. In each case, self reliance is diminished in favor of reliance upon the glorious state.

  • muirgeo

    mac,


    The $1 billion "help-up" for homeowners was just the idea of several Democratic candidates. You didn't have to pay for that. It didn't happen. Bush promidsed so. The $50 billion for Wall Street multi-millionaire paper pushers DID happen. YOU DID pay for that. Not 1 not 2 but 50 billion...now tell me who is it you are upset with?

  • The Dirty Mac

    Oh that $50 billion. Don't look at me, I oppose the existence of the Fed to begin with.


    I don't think that too may of the regulars here are proponents of government intervention on behalf of anyone. And certainly there is a general consensus here (as Drs. Boudreaux and Roberts frequently express) that government intervention is generally made on behalf of those with access to political influence and that consequently such intervention should be opposed. I get upset with anyone who does not recognize that this consensus exists here because it is a continual theme and that to deny its existence (i.e. to state that a certain type of intervention is supported here because it favors corporations, CEO's, etc.) represents a deliberate misrepresentation (at best) of free market principles.

  • The Dirty Mac

    And what I wrote about government mortgage programs stands.

  • The Dirty Mac

    And what I wrote about government mortgage programs stands.

  • The Dirty Mac

    And what I wrote about government mortgage programs stands.

  • muirgeo

    That's good to hear Mac. There's common ground and compromise to be made here. I all for getting rid of unwise legislation and over regulation but we differ on the answer.


    Mine is to get the power of the vote back to the people and away from monied interests and conflicts of interest. Yours is to have a tighter interpretation of the constitution with strict attention given to individual liberties.


    I just get frustrated when I hear them talking about how good free trade is when it's not really free trade because the monied elite are rigging the system every which way.


    Until you address the rigged system why is Don even holding anything up that's going on as an example of the success of free trade.


    If you don't believe in the Fed how can you say this is a market economy. Isn't it a rigged economy..don't we have central planners actually devising every step of the way?

  • The Dirty Mac

    Mixed economy.

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