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]]> By: Christopher Renner http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19786 Christopher Renner Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:51:59 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19786 <p>Another aspect of emissions as related to modified cars - state regulations that specify that a car has to have all OEM emissions related parts, versus those which only measure what's coming out of the tailpipe.</p> <p>In the first case, there's an incentive for the car's owner to swap parts back to original once a year, pass the test, and immediately revert to the(possibly much more polluting) modifications.</p> <p>In the second case, the owner can ensure that his normal setup(i.e. with modifications) won't pollute more than otherwise. </p> Another aspect of emissions as related to modified cars – state regulations that specify that a car has to have all OEM emissions related parts, versus those which only measure what's coming out of the tailpipe.

In the first case, there's an incentive for the car's owner to swap parts back to original once a year, pass the test, and immediately revert to the(possibly much more polluting) modifications.

In the second case, the owner can ensure that his normal setup(i.e. with modifications) won't pollute more than otherwise.

]]> By: Jon http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19785 Jon Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:23:12 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19785 <p>Emissions testing is ridiculous. </p> <p>As a car tuner fan ... it's meaningless. all we have to do is swap the parts on before inspection, pass, and put them back on afterward. No cop is going to be able to tell.</p> Emissions testing is ridiculous.

As a car tuner fan … it's meaningless. all we have to do is swap the parts on before inspection, pass, and put them back on afterward. No cop is going to be able to tell.

]]> By: Bob Smith http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19784 Bob Smith Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:39:02 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19784 <p>There's no need to test every car. You only need to ticket and impound gross polluters (you know who they are). One such car is the equivalent of a thousand new cars in terms of pollution. The second thing you need to do is have a rising registration fee as the car ages, inducing drivers to replace old polluters with newer cars. Neither will ever happen, especially in places like California (where the problem is most acute because old cars live a *long* time since they don't rust). The "poor" and "illegal immigrant" lobbies will launch huge lawsuits should any such law be passed, claiming it unfairly discriminates against them.</p> There's no need to test every car. You only need to ticket and impound gross polluters (you know who they are). One such car is the equivalent of a thousand new cars in terms of pollution. The second thing you need to do is have a rising registration fee as the car ages, inducing drivers to replace old polluters with newer cars. Neither will ever happen, especially in places like California (where the problem is most acute because old cars live a *long* time since they don't rust). The "poor" and "illegal immigrant" lobbies will launch huge lawsuits should any such law be passed, claiming it unfairly discriminates against them.

]]> By: Nathan Bowers http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19783 Nathan Bowers Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:15:27 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19783 <p>Funny, I took my car in yesterday for my biannual California smog check (it's required for DMV registration). I drive a 2002 Honda Accord so naturally I passed with super low emissions.</p> <p>I thought having to spend $50 and 15 minutes for a test I knew I would pass was annoying, but that Maryland testing sounds like pure hell. Maybe one disadvantage of small states is that it's easier for small but annoying special interests to come up with schemes that would never work on a large populace.</p> <p>The ads for the Institute for Justice on the back of Reason magazine always seem to be some small business owner standing up to the Rhode Island Embalmers' Association or some such nonsense.</p> Funny, I took my car in yesterday for my biannual California smog check (it's required for DMV registration). I drive a 2002 Honda Accord so naturally I passed with super low emissions.

I thought having to spend $50 and 15 minutes for a test I knew I would pass was annoying, but that Maryland testing sounds like pure hell. Maybe one disadvantage of small states is that it's easier for small but annoying special interests to come up with schemes that would never work on a large populace.

The ads for the Institute for Justice on the back of Reason magazine always seem to be some small business owner standing up to the Rhode Island Embalmers' Association or some such nonsense.

]]> By: mcwop http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19782 mcwop Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:40:17 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19782 <p>Sylvain Galineau, it could be that more emissions are expended at central testing stations than are saved by ferreting out and forcing cars that need tune ups. So why do it at all in that case? In fact if your car does not meet the emissions standards you may not even have to make it meet the standard by simply getting a waiver. I bet the government did no analysis on any of this. And why bother testing a new two year old new car with 30,000 miles on it? It is probably a cinch to pass.</p> <p>Waiver for VEIP testing<br /> http://mva.state.md.us/MVAProg/VEIP/veipwaiver.htm</p> <p>http://www.junkscience.com/dec98/petescam.html</p> <p>http://www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/pd073001f.html<br /> </p> Sylvain Galineau, it could be that more emissions are expended at central testing stations than are saved by ferreting out and forcing cars that need tune ups. So why do it at all in that case? In fact if your car does not meet the emissions standards you may not even have to make it meet the standard by simply getting a waiver. I bet the government did no analysis on any of this. And why bother testing a new two year old new car with 30,000 miles on it? It is probably a cinch to pass.

Waiver for VEIP testing
http://mva.state.md.us/MVAProg/VEIP/veipwaiver.htm

http://www.junkscience.com/dec98/petescam.html

http://www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/pd073001f.html

]]> By: Sylvain Galineau http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19781 Sylvain Galineau Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:18:12 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19781 <p>Assuming you can trust the information off the chip, or the wireless transmitter/transponder. If it was done as you suggest, how long would it be before software and gizmos are available to hack the system and always broadcast a clean bill of emission health ? See the profitable market for radar detectors.</p> <p>While sustaining the bureaucracy may be a primary motive, there could be other valid reason to require a live inspection. This may even be cheaper in the short run than having a bunch of states set up a commission to come up with a secure protocol to transmit this data and come up with the technical requirements to make this tamper-proof, with the federal government butting in to argue that there should be one single standard etc.</p> <p>Although on past forms it's likely we'll get to pay for both...</p> Assuming you can trust the information off the chip, or the wireless transmitter/transponder. If it was done as you suggest, how long would it be before software and gizmos are available to hack the system and always broadcast a clean bill of emission health ? See the profitable market for radar detectors.

While sustaining the bureaucracy may be a primary motive, there could be other valid reason to require a live inspection. This may even be cheaper in the short run than having a bunch of states set up a commission to come up with a secure protocol to transmit this data and come up with the technical requirements to make this tamper-proof, with the federal government butting in to argue that there should be one single standard etc.

Although on past forms it's likely we'll get to pay for both…

]]> By: mcwop http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/government-chee.html/comment-page-1#comment-19780 mcwop Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:04:31 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3473#comment-19780 <p>Never mind that Maryland tests cars that do not need testing (e.g. new cars purchased within the last 6 years with less than 100,000 miles). Why can't I have it tested when I bring it for an oil change, saving me the annoying trip.</p> <p>The other day I spent 3 hours, and was sent to 5 different rooms trying to get my house changed from multi family to single family here in Baltimore. I did not accomplish the task, people were rude, and I still have no idea where things stand. And pro-government people wonder why there are so many anti-government people. It is becuase many of us simply have constant bad experiences at the hand of government.</p> Never mind that Maryland tests cars that do not need testing (e.g. new cars purchased within the last 6 years with less than 100,000 miles). Why can't I have it tested when I bring it for an oil change, saving me the annoying trip.

The other day I spent 3 hours, and was sent to 5 different rooms trying to get my house changed from multi family to single family here in Baltimore. I did not accomplish the task, people were rude, and I still have no idea where things stand. And pro-government people wonder why there are so many anti-government people. It is becuase many of us simply have constant bad experiences at the hand of government.

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