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		<title>By: dashafer</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-64097</link>
		<dc:creator>dashafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s a really good point.</description>
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		<title>By: Is</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21368</link>
		<dc:creator>Is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, why did they do so well prior to 2003 without our government spending $500 Billion to secure their product?  Exxon was taxed at 41% last year.  What was your income tax rate?  Obviously, it is much higher given the transfer of wealth from hard workers to corporations.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why did they do so well prior to 2003 without our government spending $500 Billion to secure their product?  Exxon was taxed at 41% last year.  What was your income tax rate?  Obviously, it is much higher given the transfer of wealth from hard workers to corporations.  </p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21367</link>
		<dc:creator>muirgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Quite simply the reason Exxon mobile is doing so well is because the government took $500,000,000,000 taxpayers dollars helping to secure their product. Meanwhile most of the people losing their jobs and paying those taxes didn&#039;t see new public and private jobs that could have been had we put the money into projects here at home. Likewise their homeland saw the potential economic benefits of roads, transport systems, schools ect go up in a burst of bombs for oil men and bomb makers. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The two headlines are quite related in that they are both a result of massive wealth transfers from working people to multi-national corporations and the military industrial complex Dwight warned us about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But funny enough the business papers will talk about Exxon&#039;s profits as if they are a result of hard work and free market economics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite simply the reason Exxon mobile is doing so well is because the government took $500,000,000,000 taxpayers dollars helping to secure their product. Meanwhile most of the people losing their jobs and paying those taxes didn&#39;t see new public and private jobs that could have been had we put the money into projects here at home. Likewise their homeland saw the potential economic benefits of roads, transport systems, schools ect go up in a burst of bombs for oil men and bomb makers. </p>
<p>The two headlines are quite related in that they are both a result of massive wealth transfers from working people to multi-national corporations and the military industrial complex Dwight warned us about.</p>
<p>But funny enough the business papers will talk about Exxon&#39;s profits as if they are a result of hard work and free market economics.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21353</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t answer that muirduck until we know who intercepted Exxon Mobile&#039;s pass out-of-bounds and fumbled the ball to 17,000 jobless. It&#039;s a nightmare that needs an instant rekick after a 20 yd penalty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t answer that muirduck until we know who intercepted Exxon Mobile&#39;s pass out-of-bounds and fumbled the ball to 17,000 jobless. It&#39;s a nightmare that needs an instant rekick after a 20 yd penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21366</link>
		<dc:creator>muirgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops the other contrating headline was;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Exxon Mobil Profit Sets Record Again;  $40.6 billion in net income &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops the other contrating headline was;</p>
<p>Exxon Mobil Profit Sets Record Again;  $40.6 billion in net income </p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21365</link>
		<dc:creator>muirgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Who is right? Tomorrow, February 1, the January job numbers will be released. There are hints that they will be very strong.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Couple of todays headlines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Sheds 17,000 Jobs &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Sheds 17,000 Jobs &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Who is right is a very good question.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Who is right? Tomorrow, February 1, the January job numbers will be released. There are hints that they will be very strong.&quot;</p>
<p>
Couple of todays headlines.</p>
<p>U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Sheds 17,000 Jobs </p>
<p>and</p>
<p>U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Sheds 17,000 Jobs </p>
<p>
Who is right is a very good question.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21352</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It could be said that there are 18 teams that have picked the Patriots to win on Sunday and the Giants are one of those 18.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be said that there are 18 teams that have picked the Patriots to win on Sunday and the Giants are one of those 18.</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomLover</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21364</link>
		<dc:creator>FreedomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Out country is littered with the shattered corpses of persistent narratives. The real thing to ask is why do we persist in any particular narrative without 100% cold, hard facts and logic to back up every single point? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out country is littered with the shattered corpses of persistent narratives. The real thing to ask is why do we persist in any particular narrative without 100% cold, hard facts and logic to back up every single point? </p>
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		<title>By: DeeWilliams</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21363</link>
		<dc:creator>DeeWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;James Hanley, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But Russ&#039; post implies that we should not even try to &quot;micromanage&quot; the economy through monetary policy. After all, the economy way too &quot;complex&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that there are reasons to dislike most (not all) counter-cyclical fiscal policies, but that was not what Russ was saying. He simply said the economy is too complex so we shouldn&#039;t try any &quot;micromanagement&quot; what so ever. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Hanley, </p>
<p>But Russ&#39; post implies that we should not even try to &quot;micromanage&quot; the economy through monetary policy. After all, the economy way too &quot;complex&quot;. </p>
<p>I agree that there are reasons to dislike most (not all) counter-cyclical fiscal policies, but that was not what Russ was saying. He simply said the economy is too complex so we shouldn&#39;t try any &quot;micromanagement&quot; what so ever. </p>
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		<title>By: Biomed Tim</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21362</link>
		<dc:creator>Biomed Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t this what Nassim Taleb calls &quot;narrative fallacy?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#39;t this what Nassim Taleb calls &quot;narrative fallacy?&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: James Hanley</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21361</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DeeWilliams wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t see why complexity of the macroeconomy should, by itself, dissuade from trying to smooth the business cycle.  The human body is also a very complex system that we poorly understand, yet we attempt to manage it all the time through the use of pharmaceuticals and a variety of medical procedures.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The answer is in comparing the empirical success of medicine vs. politics.  Medicine tends to discard treatments that don&#039;t work, while our political leaders continue to think fiscal policy will do something.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s see, 3 months from now (a &quot;quarter&quot;) I&#039;m going to get an extra few hundred bucks.  A) It&#039;s not enough for me to have much stimulus effect (I&#039;ll probably just make my credit card company unhappy by paying off the balance).  B) It&#039;s awfully slow in coming.  Who the hell knows what will happen in the meantime--it&#039;s likely to hit an economy that&#039;s already rebounded, in part due to the Fed&#039;s interest rate cuts.  Fortunately it won&#039;t have much effect, or it could, at that point, cause the economy to overheat and result in inflation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;About all it will do is increase the deficit.  Hooray.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeeWilliams wrote:<br />
<blockquote>I don&#39;t see why complexity of the macroeconomy should, by itself, dissuade from trying to smooth the business cycle.  The human body is also a very complex system that we poorly understand, yet we attempt to manage it all the time through the use of pharmaceuticals and a variety of medical procedures.</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer is in comparing the empirical success of medicine vs. politics.  Medicine tends to discard treatments that don&#39;t work, while our political leaders continue to think fiscal policy will do something.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s see, 3 months from now (a &quot;quarter&quot;) I&#39;m going to get an extra few hundred bucks.  A) It&#39;s not enough for me to have much stimulus effect (I&#39;ll probably just make my credit card company unhappy by paying off the balance).  B) It&#39;s awfully slow in coming.  Who the hell knows what will happen in the meantime&#8211;it&#39;s likely to hit an economy that&#39;s already rebounded, in part due to the Fed&#39;s interest rate cuts.  Fortunately it won&#39;t have much effect, or it could, at that point, cause the economy to overheat and result in inflation.</p>
<p>About all it will do is increase the deficit.  Hooray.</p>
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		<title>By: Floccina</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21360</link>
		<dc:creator>Floccina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Should have been:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So far, so good. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>So far, so good. </p>
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		<title>By: Floccina</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21359</link>
		<dc:creator>Floccina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly why I insist that you cannot solve most big problems until they happen.  Be it recession or global warming.  On both so ar so good.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly why I insist that you cannot solve most big problems until they happen.  Be it recession or global warming.  On both so ar so good.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;And her playoff standings were phenomenal, selecting eight out of 10 winning teams.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s nothing. The Washington Redskins have picked 16 ot the last 17 presidential victors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And her playoff standings were phenomenal, selecting eight out of 10 winning teams.&quot;</p>
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That&#39;s nothing. The Washington Redskins have picked 16 ot the last 17 presidential victors.</p>
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		<title>By: DeeWilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeeWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Russ, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t see why complexity of the macroeconomy should, by itself, dissuade from trying to smooth the business cycle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The human body is also a very complex system that we poorly understand, yet we attempt to manage it all the time through the use of pharmaceuticals and a variety of medical procedures. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These &quot;medical interventions&quot; do not always work and can have unintended consequences on a person&#039;s health, but the vast majority of people are willing to take the risk. Even Robin Hanson goes to the doctor on occasion. Why? Because he, like the rest of us, percieve that these interventions can sometimes help more than they harm. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So the argument you REALLY have to make isn&#039;t that the economy is complex (duh), it&#039;s that the prescribed &quot;medicine&quot; in this situation will hurt more than it helps. Are you able to make that argument?  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ, </p>
<p>I don&#39;t see why complexity of the macroeconomy should, by itself, dissuade from trying to smooth the business cycle.</p>
<p>The human body is also a very complex system that we poorly understand, yet we attempt to manage it all the time through the use of pharmaceuticals and a variety of medical procedures. </p>
<p>These &quot;medical interventions&quot; do not always work and can have unintended consequences on a person&#39;s health, but the vast majority of people are willing to take the risk. Even Robin Hanson goes to the doctor on occasion. Why? Because he, like the rest of us, percieve that these interventions can sometimes help more than they harm. </p>
<p>So the argument you REALLY have to make isn&#39;t that the economy is complex (duh), it&#39;s that the prescribed &quot;medicine&quot; in this situation will hurt more than it helps. Are you able to make that argument?  </p>
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		<title>By: The Albatross</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21356</link>
		<dc:creator>The Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Russ and Don, just a quick question,&lt;br /&gt;
I remember when the TV folks used to talk about economic growth, they always mentioned the weather.  I am not talking about specific events—Katrina ect.—but the overall weather.  We had very slow growth in the first quarter of last year, which then exploded in the summer and fall.  However, if I remember the weather in the first quarter of last year was unseasonably cold and wet with winter coming late and destroying the wheat crop.  Compare this to weather in the fourth quarter, which has been colder than usual, snowy, and icy—at least throughout the Midwest and even the South.  I have had more issues getting about this year than in any other year within memory.  Anyway, I know weather is a factor like all of the billions of other affecting the economy, but I would like to know you or Don’s thoughts on the relationship between weather and quarterly GDP growth.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Russ and Don, just a quick question,<br />
I remember when the TV folks used to talk about economic growth, they always mentioned the weather.  I am not talking about specific events—Katrina ect.—but the overall weather.  We had very slow growth in the first quarter of last year, which then exploded in the summer and fall.  However, if I remember the weather in the first quarter of last year was unseasonably cold and wet with winter coming late and destroying the wheat crop.  Compare this to weather in the fourth quarter, which has been colder than usual, snowy, and icy—at least throughout the Midwest and even the South.  I have had more issues getting about this year than in any other year within memory.  Anyway, I know weather is a factor like all of the billions of other affecting the economy, but I would like to know you or Don’s thoughts on the relationship between weather and quarterly GDP growth.</p>
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		<title>By: David Peterson</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21355</link>
		<dc:creator>David Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How do we know he didn&#039;t hold the Giants cracker closer to the camel&#039;s face? I smell a crackergate scandal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: colson</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/01/telling-stories.html/comment-page-1#comment-21354</link>
		<dc:creator>colson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of the episode of Carl Sagan&#039;s show where he sat down with two newspapers and read the horoscopes. While his point was that it dealt in ambiguity, the result is somewhat similar. We are animals who look for patterns. When we recognize patterns we tend to give them much more weight than they are generally worth in most cases.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While the Wall Street Journal got rid of the column, I always remember checking in on the &quot;dartboard&quot; where industry &quot;experts&quot; went up against stocks picked by putting the broad sheet on a dartboard. It&#039;s always fun to see randomness beating the pants off of professionals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the episode of Carl Sagan&#39;s show where he sat down with two newspapers and read the horoscopes. While his point was that it dealt in ambiguity, the result is somewhat similar. We are animals who look for patterns. When we recognize patterns we tend to give them much more weight than they are generally worth in most cases.</p>
<p>While the Wall Street Journal got rid of the column, I always remember checking in on the &quot;dartboard&quot; where industry &quot;experts&quot; went up against stocks picked by putting the broad sheet on a dartboard. It&#39;s always fun to see randomness beating the pants off of professionals.</p>
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