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]]> By: Matt http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26879 Matt Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:36:59 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26879 <p>So do I, Flash -- and so do most Americans and the judges on the FISA court. If that is all the Administration wants to do, why won't it explain itself to the FISA court?</p> <p>In this case, Jefferson would have agreed with Hayek: giving unchecked discretionary power to any Executive is the road to serfdom.</p> So do I, Flash — and so do most Americans and the judges on the FISA court. If that is all the Administration wants to do, why won't it explain itself to the FISA court?

In this case, Jefferson would have agreed with Hayek: giving unchecked discretionary power to any Executive is the road to serfdom.

]]> By: Matt http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26878 Matt Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:36:57 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26878 <p>So do I, Flash -- and so do most Americans and the judges on the FISA court. If that is all the Administration wants to do, why won't it explain itself to the FISA court?</p> <p>In this case, Jefferson would have agreed with Hayek: giving unchecked discretionary power to any Executive is the road to serfdom.</p> So do I, Flash — and so do most Americans and the judges on the FISA court. If that is all the Administration wants to do, why won't it explain itself to the FISA court?

In this case, Jefferson would have agreed with Hayek: giving unchecked discretionary power to any Executive is the road to serfdom.

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26877 Flash Gordon Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:52:55 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26877 <p>If any American citizen is making or receiving calls to or from Osama bin Laden or anyone in his circle, I want the government to be listening to those conversations.</p> If any American citizen is making or receiving calls to or from Osama bin Laden or anyone in his circle, I want the government to be listening to those conversations.

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26876 Flash Gordon Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:50:21 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26876 <p>The thing is Matt, I'm not a terrorist and you probably aren't either. Neither of us make or receive calls to numbers that have been associated with known terrorists. That means no one is interested in the conversations we have with anyone.</p> The thing is Matt, I'm not a terrorist and you probably aren't either. Neither of us make or receive calls to numbers that have been associated with known terrorists. That means no one is interested in the conversations we have with anyone.

]]> By: Matt http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26875 Matt Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:35:50 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26875 <p>Are you sure, Flash? Without the judiciary playing its proper role in our democracy, you have only George Bush's word on that. Perhaps he will have as much trouble finding the transcript of your last conversation with your girlfried as he did finding Saddam's WMD...</p> Are you sure, Flash? Without the judiciary playing its proper role in our democracy, you have only George Bush's word on that. Perhaps he will have as much trouble finding the transcript of your last conversation with your girlfried as he did finding Saddam's WMD…

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26874 Flash Gordon Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:00:20 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26874 <p>Gosh, Matt, nobody is doing any of those things to me. Is it happening to you? I bet not.</p> Gosh, Matt, nobody is doing any of those things to me. Is it happening to you? I bet not.

]]> By: Matt http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26873 Matt Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:01:03 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26873 <p>Who is tapping our phones and refusing judicial oversight? Who is holding people incommunicado and refusing to identify them to a judge? Who is using the power of the state to provide funding to selected religious denominations? Who is secretly searching our homes? Who is forcing us to reveal our financial relationships while making it illegal for us to consult an attorney before complying? Who wants to know what books we check out of the library? </p> <p>Hint: It's not the "liberals." It seems to me that the "conservatives" have so eroded the institutions that protect our freedoms in this country that they win the prize for "anti-individual-liberty." </p> Who is tapping our phones and refusing judicial oversight? Who is holding people incommunicado and refusing to identify them to a judge? Who is using the power of the state to provide funding to selected religious denominations? Who is secretly searching our homes? Who is forcing us to reveal our financial relationships while making it illegal for us to consult an attorney before complying? Who wants to know what books we check out of the library?

Hint: It's not the "liberals." It seems to me that the "conservatives" have so eroded the institutions that protect our freedoms in this country that they win the prize for "anti-individual-liberty."

]]> By: piperTom http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26872 piperTom Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:12:39 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26872 <p>Agree with Don, so far, but he left out anti-reason, anti-responsibility, anti-evidence, envious, and -- most important -- hidden agenda. </p> <p>/Okay, it is getting kinda long.</p> Agree with Don, so far, but he left out anti-reason, anti-responsibility, anti-evidence, envious, and — most important — hidden agenda.

/Okay, it is getting kinda long.

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26871 Flash Gordon Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:30:23 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26871 <p>Actually, I guess not all liberals object to the term being applied to them. One hundred professors at the University of Chicago are protesting the establishment of a Milton Friedman Institute on the grounds that he was a libertarian and not a liberal. Via Ilya Somin at The Volokh Conspiracy. </p> <p>Just another example of how liberals destroy the nobility of the term liberal.</p> Actually, I guess not all liberals object to the term being applied to them. One hundred professors at the University of Chicago are protesting the establishment of a Milton Friedman Institute on the grounds that he was a libertarian and not a liberal. Via Ilya Somin at The Volokh Conspiracy.

Just another example of how liberals destroy the nobility of the term liberal.

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26870 Flash Gordon Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:13:55 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26870 <p><i>I simply cannot bring myself to concede the noble term "liberal" to those people.</i></p> <p>It was once but is no longer a noble term. The anti-market, anti-trade, anti-individual-liberty crowd, i.e. liberal Democrats, first appropriated it to themselves, then made it a dirty word, and now take umbrage at having it applied to them. </p> <p>The word is now such a disparagement you would not use it to describe anyone you respect. I say let it stick to the ones who are responsible for its ignominious status.</p> I simply cannot bring myself to concede the noble term "liberal" to those people.

It was once but is no longer a noble term. The anti-market, anti-trade, anti-individual-liberty crowd, i.e. liberal Democrats, first appropriated it to themselves, then made it a dirty word, and now take umbrage at having it applied to them.

The word is now such a disparagement you would not use it to describe anyone you respect. I say let it stick to the ones who are responsible for its ignominious status.

]]> By: Michael Wolf http://cafehayek.com/2008/06/kaminsky-on-sir.html/comment-page-1#comment-26869 Michael Wolf Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:01:16 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3214#comment-26869 <p>I've long held that if Democrats (and other similarly-minded people) don't want to use the term "liberal" for themselves, we libertarians -- what an ugly word! -- should take it from them and start using it ourselves.</p> <p>I think the initial confusion would be worth it.</p> I've long held that if Democrats (and other similarly-minded people) don't want to use the term "liberal" for themselves, we libertarians — what an ugly word! — should take it from them and start using it ourselves.

I think the initial confusion would be worth it.

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