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		<title>By: related services in Cambridgeshire</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/07/infrastructure-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-55492</link>
		<dc:creator>related services in Cambridgeshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Reed</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/07/infrastructure-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-27840</link>
		<dc:creator>John Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another problem with eminent domain is that the &quot;market price&quot; for the coveted property cannot be determined in advance.  No one sells their property for the &quot;market price.&quot;  Instead, they sell it for the most they can get subject to the least they will accept.  Since the true market price for a particular piece of property is only known after the sale, it cannot be a condition of the sale.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem with eminent domain is that the &quot;market price&quot; for the coveted property cannot be determined in advance.  No one sells their property for the &quot;market price.&quot;  Instead, they sell it for the most they can get subject to the least they will accept.  Since the true market price for a particular piece of property is only known after the sale, it cannot be a condition of the sale.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/07/infrastructure-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-27839</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice try, but it all falls apart here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;These funds should be transparent and run by recognised experts and should aim to get maximum bang for every taxpayers buck.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The whole point of a market is that a. funds don&#039;t *need* to be transparent, b. investors are in the best position to ensure things are run by real experts and c. if it&#039;s not profitable (not enough &quot;bang for buck&quot;) it goes out of business and someone else can try.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Of course, if your government has no eminent domain powers to demand a right of way through someone&#039;s land, who would want to stop after buying the route for a canal around one side of the offensive individual&#039;s property? Buy the land around *both* sides of his property! &quot;That&#039;s right, today&#039;s toll for you to cross over my land is $100, and just wait until you see how expensive it&#039;s going to be to cross back!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s just another form of coercion and, besides, he&#039;d just ask for an easement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason eminent domain is so terrible is that the canal could be a huge failure and the landowner might say, &quot;see, I was right not to tear down my property for this.&quot; And if it becomes truly valuable, the investors would be able to offer more money to entice him to leave.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead, with eminent domain, someone has a Grand Scheme and the hopes and dreams of the little people who are in the way of this manifestation of ego are destroyed to make way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The funny thing about the debate about eminent domain is how much it mirrors the debate over evolution. The anti-evolutionists, much like the control-economists, can&#039;t comprehend how something complex can come about through a myriad of small changes. In reality, though, not one city exists where the grand plans actually worked. In every case, the city government is constantly playing catchup with the market, and usually delaying real progress by allowing corruption and bureaucratic inertia to control the process.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, but it all falls apart here:</p>
<p><i>These funds should be transparent and run by recognised experts and should aim to get maximum bang for every taxpayers buck.</i></p>
<p>The whole point of a market is that a. funds don&#39;t *need* to be transparent, b. investors are in the best position to ensure things are run by real experts and c. if it&#39;s not profitable (not enough &quot;bang for buck&quot;) it goes out of business and someone else can try.</p>
<p><i>Of course, if your government has no eminent domain powers to demand a right of way through someone&#39;s land, who would want to stop after buying the route for a canal around one side of the offensive individual&#39;s property? Buy the land around *both* sides of his property! &quot;That&#39;s right, today&#39;s toll for you to cross over my land is $100, and just wait until you see how expensive it&#39;s going to be to cross back!&quot;</i></p>
<p>That&#39;s just another form of coercion and, besides, he&#39;d just ask for an easement.</p>
<p>The reason eminent domain is so terrible is that the canal could be a huge failure and the landowner might say, &quot;see, I was right not to tear down my property for this.&quot; And if it becomes truly valuable, the investors would be able to offer more money to entice him to leave.</p>
<p>Instead, with eminent domain, someone has a Grand Scheme and the hopes and dreams of the little people who are in the way of this manifestation of ego are destroyed to make way.</p>
<p>The funny thing about the debate about eminent domain is how much it mirrors the debate over evolution. The anti-evolutionists, much like the control-economists, can&#39;t comprehend how something complex can come about through a myriad of small changes. In reality, though, not one city exists where the grand plans actually worked. In every case, the city government is constantly playing catchup with the market, and usually delaying real progress by allowing corruption and bureaucratic inertia to control the process.</p>
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		<title>By: roystgnr</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/07/infrastructure-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-27838</link>
		<dc:creator>roystgnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;When a canal came up to the property of an individual who wouldn&#039;t sell they built that part of it. Then they bid with all of the nearby possible properties that would allow its completion.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, if your government has no eminent domain powers to demand a right of way through someone&#039;s land, who would want to stop after buying the route for a canal around one side of the offensive individual&#039;s property?  Buy the land around *both* sides of his property!  &quot;That&#039;s right, today&#039;s toll for you to cross over my land is $100, and just wait until you see how expensive it&#039;s going to be to cross back!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;*That* is when you&#039;ve got the leverage to get him to sell.  Natural monopolies are fun, as long as you&#039;re the monopolist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When a canal came up to the property of an individual who wouldn&#39;t sell they built that part of it. Then they bid with all of the nearby possible properties that would allow its completion.</i></p>
<p>Of course, if your government has no eminent domain powers to demand a right of way through someone&#39;s land, who would want to stop after buying the route for a canal around one side of the offensive individual&#39;s property?  Buy the land around *both* sides of his property!  &quot;That&#39;s right, today&#39;s toll for you to cross over my land is $100, and just wait until you see how expensive it&#39;s going to be to cross back!&quot;</p>
<p>*That* is when you&#39;ve got the leverage to get him to sell.  Natural monopolies are fun, as long as you&#39;re the monopolist.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick R. Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/07/infrastructure-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-27837</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick R. Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don is exactly right about Alfred Ely Beach, who did build NYC&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nycsubway.org/articles/beach.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first subway&lt;/a&gt;.  It was a block long, and he did it secretly:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Alfred Ely Beach, inventor and editor of Scientific American, had designed a pneumatic (air-driven) system which he demonstrated at the American Institute Fair in 1867, and he thought it viable for transit operation in underground tunnels. He applied for a permit from the Tammany Hall city government, and after being denied, decided to build the line in secrecy, in an attempt to show that subterranean transit was practical. (He actually did receive a permit to built a pneumatic package delivery system, originally of two small tunnels from Warren St. to Cedar St., later amended to be one large tunnel, to &quot;simplify construction&quot; of what he really intended to build.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don is exactly right about Alfred Ely Beach, who did build NYC&#39;s <a href="http://www.nycsubway.org/articles/beach.html" rel="nofollow">first subway</a>.  It was a block long, and he did it secretly:</p>
<blockquote><p>Alfred Ely Beach, inventor and editor of Scientific American, had designed a pneumatic (air-driven) system which he demonstrated at the American Institute Fair in 1867, and he thought it viable for transit operation in underground tunnels. He applied for a permit from the Tammany Hall city government, and after being denied, decided to build the line in secrecy, in an attempt to show that subterranean transit was practical. (He actually did receive a permit to built a pneumatic package delivery system, originally of two small tunnels from Warren St. to Cedar St., later amended to be one large tunnel, to &quot;simplify construction&quot; of what he really intended to build.)</p></blockquote>
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