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	<title>Comments on: Only $5 Trillion</title>
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		<title>By: Mesa Econoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mesa Econoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The enormous flaw in Gore&#039;s goal is that there are diminshing marginal returns to adding wind to the electric grid.&lt;br /&gt;
Posted by: diz&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are destructive margins adding wind to the grid.  Building these fiberglass turbines is very environmentally hostile.  But Al will never tell you that, because he’s stupid, and a liar.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why do you think T Bone Burnett Pickens dumped all that cash into GE turbines? Out of the goodness of his heart?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bullshit.  He’s bolstering his size position in GE, and stands to gain significantly from every increased government wind subsidy under the Obama administration, of which there will be very many…&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The enormous flaw in Gore&#39;s goal is that there are diminshing marginal returns to adding wind to the electric grid.<br />
Posted by: diz</i></p>
<p>There are destructive margins adding wind to the grid.  Building these fiberglass turbines is very environmentally hostile.  But Al will never tell you that, because he’s stupid, and a liar.</p>
<p>Why do you think T Bone Burnett Pickens dumped all that cash into GE turbines? Out of the goodness of his heart?  </p>
<p>Bullshit.  He’s bolstering his size position in GE, and stands to gain significantly from every increased government wind subsidy under the Obama administration, of which there will be very many…</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hate when the word *only* is used next to the word *trillion*.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate when the word *only* is used next to the word *trillion*.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why bother?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">Why bother?</a></p>
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		<title>By: diz</title>
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		<dc:creator>diz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read elsewhere that Gore&#039;s people estimated a greeen grid would cost 1.5-3.0 trillion over 30 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is actually not that unreasonable at current wind energy costs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To do it over 10 years it would certainly cost more because we less than a tenth of the capacity to make wind turbines that would require.  Costs of wind power have already been spiraling upward of late as high demand has taxed existing capacity, and raw materials costs have been increasing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The enormous flaw in Gore&#039;s goal is that there are diminshing marginal returns to adding wind to the electric grid.  Issues of intermittiency and peaking would make it far more reasonable to get some of your power from natural gas, and find equivalent carbon savings elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Achieving the purely symbolic goal of 100% renewable electricity is far inferior to a general carbon tax that eliminates the same amount of carbon but lets people optimize where the carbon is saved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Assuming there&#039;s value to saving carbon to being with.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read elsewhere that Gore&#39;s people estimated a greeen grid would cost 1.5-3.0 trillion over 30 years.</p>
<p>That is actually not that unreasonable at current wind energy costs.</p>
<p>To do it over 10 years it would certainly cost more because we less than a tenth of the capacity to make wind turbines that would require.  Costs of wind power have already been spiraling upward of late as high demand has taxed existing capacity, and raw materials costs have been increasing.</p>
<p>The enormous flaw in Gore&#39;s goal is that there are diminshing marginal returns to adding wind to the electric grid.  Issues of intermittiency and peaking would make it far more reasonable to get some of your power from natural gas, and find equivalent carbon savings elsewhere.</p>
<p>Achieving the purely symbolic goal of 100% renewable electricity is far inferior to a general carbon tax that eliminates the same amount of carbon but lets people optimize where the carbon is saved.</p>
<p>Assuming there&#39;s value to saving carbon to being with.</p>
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		<title>By: SheetWise</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheetWise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Why waste time debating the merits of something that basically cannot ever happen?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Profit motive?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s always been there. And in the current market there will be an acceleration of funding, but unlikely an acceleration of results.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The pot at the end of the rainbow has always been &quot;big enough&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;Why waste time debating the merits of something that basically cannot ever happen?&quot;</i></p>
<p>Profit motive?</p>
<p>It&#39;s always been there. And in the current market there will be an acceleration of funding, but unlikely an acceleration of results.</p>
<p>The pot at the end of the rainbow has always been &quot;big enough&quot;.</p>
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