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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/government-brin.html/comment-page-1#comment-28911</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;what is the basis of their claim to my property?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There should be a body that arbitrates property right disputes.  There should be a body that protects the property rights of others and captures offenders of those property rights.   Those services are expensive.  Taxes should be levied to provide those services.&lt;/p&gt;

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I think that is the basic logic.  Feel free to voice your point of contention and we can discuss it more fully.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>There should be a body that arbitrates property right disputes.  There should be a body that protects the property rights of others and captures offenders of those property rights.   Those services are expensive.  Taxes should be levied to provide those services.</p>
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I think that is the basic logic.  Feel free to voice your point of contention and we can discuss it more fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Luftner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Luftner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;It seems like a bad definition. Why not just call taxes &quot;involuntary confiscation&quot; and not try to change the definition of theft?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I did call it involuntary confiscation. I still haven&#039;t actually called it theft. I merely pointed out that you object to this use of the word. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I destroy your property, I am in effect robbing you of that property. I fail to see how compensating you for that loss is the same as you thieving from me, in any definition described here. By being the aggressor here, I was &quot;asking for it&quot; if you will. That&#039;s hardly the same as minding my own business &amp; receiving a tax bill. Do you honestly not see where these are different? What damages did I cause the state to require I compensate them? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or to put the question plainer: what is the &lt;i&gt;basis&lt;/i&gt; of their claim to my property? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems like a bad definition. Why not just call taxes &quot;involuntary confiscation&quot; and not try to change the definition of theft?</i></p>
<p>I did call it involuntary confiscation. I still haven&#39;t actually called it theft. I merely pointed out that you object to this use of the word. </p>
<p>If I destroy your property, I am in effect robbing you of that property. I fail to see how compensating you for that loss is the same as you thieving from me, in any definition described here. By being the aggressor here, I was &quot;asking for it&quot; if you will. That&#39;s hardly the same as minding my own business &amp; receiving a tax bill. Do you honestly not see where these are different? What damages did I cause the state to require I compensate them? </p>
<p>Or to put the question plainer: what is the <i>basis</i> of their claim to my property? </p>
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		<title>By: Oil Shock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the year 1800, % of white population under the age of 15 was about 40% of total population of the united states. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the year 1900, the average age of the population was 22.9. The % of population under 15 was still 34.5%. In year 1900, 12% of the population was under the age of 5. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In year 2000, % under 15 was only 21%. Draw your own conclusions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the year 1800, % of white population under the age of 15 was about 40% of total population of the united states. </p>
<p>In the year 1900, the average age of the population was 22.9. The % of population under 15 was still 34.5%. In year 1900, 12% of the population was under the age of 5. </p>
<p>In year 2000, % under 15 was only 21%. Draw your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some data from wikipedia &quot;Demographis of the United States&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics&lt;br /&gt;
_of_the_United_States)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Population growth rate per year from 1790 - 1900 is 2.47% from 1900 to 2000 is 1.3%.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I think it is obvious that there is a simple reason per capita growth and overall growth are different, one has a denominator the other doesn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which matters?  You tell me.  Who has a higher standard of living, China or the U.K., India or Ireland?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some data from wikipedia &quot;Demographis of the United States&quot;</p>
<p>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics</a><br />
_of_the_United_States)</p>
<p>Population growth rate per year from 1790 &#8211; 1900 is 2.47% from 1900 to 2000 is 1.3%.</p>
<p>So I think it is obvious that there is a simple reason per capita growth and overall growth are different, one has a denominator the other doesn&#39;t.</p>
<p>Which matters?  You tell me.  Who has a higher standard of living, China or the U.K., India or Ireland?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I still find your statement completely ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If number of people was the single most significant factor in determining the GDP of the economy, China &amp; India will have the largest economies in the world&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are totally misrepresenting what I said.  Look a couple of posts up.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In such an environment, overall growth is almost entirely driven by the nebulous &quot;technology growth,&quot; which is broadly defined by how productive scarce inputs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You read this right?  Did you just forget already?  I never said anything close to &quot;number of people was the single most significant factor in determining the GDP&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it is a mathematical fact that adding people adds to GDP (unless somehow you think a person creates zero or negative productivity, that is you wouldn&#039;t employ them even if they were willing to work for a penny).  You cannot address the difference in GDP growth and GDP per capita growth without talking about immigration.  Immigration in the 19th century and before dwarfed immigration in the 20th century.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;19th century population of the U.S set the stage for immense 20th potential, yet, meddlesome government has significantly curtailed that potential with their intereference in the economy.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a claim for which you have provided no evidence.  Prove it.  How much did meddlesome government curtail growth?  Do you have any argument that leads to this claim?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I still find your statement completely ridiculous.</p>
<p>If number of people was the single most significant factor in determining the GDP of the economy, China &amp; India will have the largest economies in the world&quot;</p>
<p>You are totally misrepresenting what I said.  Look a couple of posts up.  </p>
<p>&quot;In such an environment, overall growth is almost entirely driven by the nebulous &quot;technology growth,&quot; which is broadly defined by how productive scarce inputs.&quot;</p>
<p>You read this right?  Did you just forget already?  I never said anything close to &quot;number of people was the single most significant factor in determining the GDP&quot; </p>
<p>But it is a mathematical fact that adding people adds to GDP (unless somehow you think a person creates zero or negative productivity, that is you wouldn&#39;t employ them even if they were willing to work for a penny).  You cannot address the difference in GDP growth and GDP per capita growth without talking about immigration.  Immigration in the 19th century and before dwarfed immigration in the 20th century.</p>
<p>&quot;19th century population of the U.S set the stage for immense 20th potential, yet, meddlesome government has significantly curtailed that potential with their intereference in the economy.&quot;</p>
<p>This is a claim for which you have provided no evidence.  Prove it.  How much did meddlesome government curtail growth?  Do you have any argument that leads to this claim?</p>
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