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		<title>By: Henri Hein</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29282</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Hein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; I don&#039;t know why it doesn&#039;t remember personal info. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I looked into it at some point, and I believe it&#039;s a typepad bug.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I don&#39;t know why it doesn&#39;t remember personal info. </p>
<p>I looked into it at some point, and I believe it&#39;s a typepad bug.  </p>
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		<title>By: Russ Roberts</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29281</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sam,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great find! I&#039;ll post on it...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Great find! I&#39;ll post on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29280</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Personal info isn&#039;t remembered, but if you hit &quot;Post&quot; without entering your info, your info will appear in the preview screen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You might view it as a &#039;forced preview&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal info isn&#39;t remembered, but if you hit &quot;Post&quot; without entering your info, your info will appear in the preview screen.</p>
<p>You might view it as a &#39;forced preview&#39;.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Roberts</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29279</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;william casey,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That would be a vertical demand curve. Very unlikely. Graphite rackets are better than wood. That&#039;s why they&#039;re more popular. But holding their quality and the price of wooden rackets constant, an increase in the price of graphite rackets will lead to fewer sales. Some people who already have two won&#039;t buy a third one. Some people will delay replacing a racket. Some people will be enticed by a different substitute other than wood.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>william casey,</p>
<p>That would be a vertical demand curve. Very unlikely. Graphite rackets are better than wood. That&#39;s why they&#39;re more popular. But holding their quality and the price of wooden rackets constant, an increase in the price of graphite rackets will lead to fewer sales. Some people who already have two won&#39;t buy a third one. Some people will delay replacing a racket. Some people will be enticed by a different substitute other than wood.</p>
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		<title>By: william casey</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29278</link>
		<dc:creator>william casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In your example of graphite  used for tennis rackets, you ignored the point that tennis players might still buy as many graphite rackets at a higher price because they are better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your example of graphite  used for tennis rackets, you ignored the point that tennis players might still buy as many graphite rackets at a higher price because they are better.</p>
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		<title>By: David Peterson</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29277</link>
		<dc:creator>David Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting. I&#039;m not a teacher of any sort, but I&#039;ve often thought that getting the subtlety and importance of this point is critical in arguing for the free market and wondered how the best way to do so would be. This looks like an excellent tool for explaining it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I&#39;m not a teacher of any sort, but I&#39;ve often thought that getting the subtlety and importance of this point is critical in arguing for the free market and wondered how the best way to do so would be. This looks like an excellent tool for explaining it.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29276</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hayek&#039;s essay is good, perhaps even a classic, but it&#039;s only an exposition of Mises&#039; much more important ideas on prices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It still amazes me today that so few people recognize the importance of Mises&#039; contributions and would rather assign greatness to Hayek. Perhaps it&#039;s the nobel prize, where his work was again built on Mises&#039; ground breaking ideas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you want a magnum opus that you should be bringing to the minds of budding economists it really should be Human Action.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayek&#39;s essay is good, perhaps even a classic, but it&#39;s only an exposition of Mises&#39; much more important ideas on prices.</p>
<p>It still amazes me today that so few people recognize the importance of Mises&#39; contributions and would rather assign greatness to Hayek. Perhaps it&#39;s the nobel prize, where his work was again built on Mises&#39; ground breaking ideas.</p>
<p>If you want a magnum opus that you should be bringing to the minds of budding economists it really should be Human Action.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick R. Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick R. Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a news story that pretty much hits all the points you&#039;re making.  Recovering &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=15601742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;natural gas from shale beds&lt;/a&gt;, thanks to new technology spurred by rising prices.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a news story that pretty much hits all the points you&#39;re making.  Recovering <a href="http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=15601742" rel="nofollow">natural gas from shale beds</a>, thanks to new technology spurred by rising prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Bedard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathieu Bedard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure how credible it is to say that we can&#039;t figure out the right price to accommodate everyone while using supply and demand curves to depict the problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m trying to put myself in the place of a first year student and, well, the answer seems obvious! We only have to look at the demand curves to figure out who gets what at what price... Don&#039;t these guys have economists working for them? :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it&#039;s a great introduction to supply and demand. I could picture myself studying these!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not sure how credible it is to say that we can&#39;t figure out the right price to accommodate everyone while using supply and demand curves to depict the problem.</p>
<p>I&#39;m trying to put myself in the place of a first year student and, well, the answer seems obvious! We only have to look at the demand curves to figure out who gets what at what price&#8230; Don&#39;t these guys have economists working for them? <img src='http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But it&#39;s a great introduction to supply and demand. I could picture myself studying these!</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Roberts</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29273</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SteveO,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know why it doesn&#039;t remember personal info. It does the same thing to me, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveO,</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know why it doesn&#39;t remember personal info. It does the same thing to me, too.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just want to defend the word &quot;perfect&quot;. At the best possible point, accounting for existing conditions, is a perfectly acceptable definition of &quot;perfect&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think we have gone on the defensive concerning the word &quot;perfect&quot; in economic terms. Some mythical state that exists only in our mind does not qualify as perfect in my opinion. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OT: Since Russ will probably read this; the &quot;remember personal info&quot; check box rarely works. Also, it would be an extraordinary improvement in design if each commenters text were boxed in *with* his signature, in alternating colors, ie. gray and white boxes. (There is often confusion about who wrote what, by new visitors)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to defend the word &quot;perfect&quot;. At the best possible point, accounting for existing conditions, is a perfectly acceptable definition of &quot;perfect&quot;. </p>
<p>I think we have gone on the defensive concerning the word &quot;perfect&quot; in economic terms. Some mythical state that exists only in our mind does not qualify as perfect in my opinion. </p>
<p>OT: Since Russ will probably read this; the &quot;remember personal info&quot; check box rarely works. Also, it would be an extraordinary improvement in design if each commenters text were boxed in *with* his signature, in alternating colors, ie. gray and white boxes. (There is often confusion about who wrote what, by new visitors)</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Roberts</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29271</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;winercow20,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Demand. You can&#039;t talk about a shift in quantity demanded as an exogenous change.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>winercow20,</p>
<p>Demand. You can&#39;t talk about a shift in quantity demanded as an exogenous change.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29270</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that &quot;perfect knowledge&quot; is a misnomer to say the least.  I&#039;m even tempted to say that economic actors hardly know anything.  Instead, economic actors believe things, and market forces select the true beliefs from the false beliefs much as Darwin&#039;s Creator selects fit genes from unfit genes.  The more rapidly this selection occurs, the more it creates an illusion of &quot;visionary foresight&quot; and &quot;perfect knowledge&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In a dynamic, vigorously competitive, efficient, free market, economic actors make (often poorly) educated guesses at best.  Some guesses always turn out to be right, but that&#039;s beside the point.  Some genes are always fittest too.  Even very limited knowledge is more valuable than total ignorance, and markets only become efficient as informed traders act, so smart money marginally outperforms the dumbest luck, but this unremarkable fact is also beside the point.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that &quot;perfect knowledge&quot; is a misnomer to say the least.  I&#39;m even tempted to say that economic actors hardly know anything.  Instead, economic actors believe things, and market forces select the true beliefs from the false beliefs much as Darwin&#39;s Creator selects fit genes from unfit genes.  The more rapidly this selection occurs, the more it creates an illusion of &quot;visionary foresight&quot; and &quot;perfect knowledge&quot;.</p>
<p>In a dynamic, vigorously competitive, efficient, free market, economic actors make (often poorly) educated guesses at best.  Some guesses always turn out to be right, but that&#39;s beside the point.  Some genes are always fittest too.  Even very limited knowledge is more valuable than total ignorance, and markets only become efficient as informed traders act, so smart money marginally outperforms the dumbest luck, but this unremarkable fact is also beside the point.</p>
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		<title>By: wintercow20</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2008/08/hayek-in-the-cl.html/comment-page-1#comment-29269</link>
		<dc:creator>wintercow20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a question on the phrasing of your first review question. Do you intend to use the term &quot;demand for graphite by pencil makers&quot; or did you mean &quot;the quantity of graphite demanded by pencil makers&quot;? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I take these to mean two very different things - the former indicating a shift in the demand curve because of a fundamental change in the relationship between prices and how much pencil makers would like to buy, the latter indicating a movement along a demand curve that represents an existing preference mapping. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can see students justifiably answering No to the former question and Yes to the latter. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question on the phrasing of your first review question. Do you intend to use the term &quot;demand for graphite by pencil makers&quot; or did you mean &quot;the quantity of graphite demanded by pencil makers&quot;? </p>
<p>I take these to mean two very different things &#8211; the former indicating a shift in the demand curve because of a fundamental change in the relationship between prices and how much pencil makers would like to buy, the latter indicating a movement along a demand curve that represents an existing preference mapping. </p>
<p>I can see students justifiably answering No to the former question and Yes to the latter. </p>
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