Comments on: Neocons Especially Should Pay Careful Attention to This Research http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html where orders emerge Mon, 16 Jan 2012 02:06:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: bartman http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html/comment-page-1#comment-29883 bartman Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:05:19 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3066#comment-29883 <p>UN resolutions? That's thin gruel, Joe. If the US really gave a tinker's damn about enforcing UN resolutions, we would have invaded Israel many times over.</p> <p>It was convenient justification for Bush to eradicate his (and his daddy's) personal bete noire.</p> <p>5000 US dead, untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead and over a quarter trillion dollars to satisfy one man's grudges.</p> UN resolutions? That's thin gruel, Joe. If the US really gave a tinker's damn about enforcing UN resolutions, we would have invaded Israel many times over.

It was convenient justification for Bush to eradicate his (and his daddy's) personal bete noire.

5000 US dead, untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead and over a quarter trillion dollars to satisfy one man's grudges.

]]> By: Per Kurowski http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html/comment-page-1#comment-29882 Per Kurowski Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:58:12 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3066#comment-29882 <p>The problem is that most, instead of looking to help create the conditions for a sustainable democracy to prosper, are mostly trying to impose their own democracy on others.</p> <p>In Iraq the sine qua nom condition for having a sustainable democracy is an oil revenue sharing system that hinders the concentration of oil wealth in the hands of governments and bureaucrats. The Iraq Study Group Report, 2006, even mentioned to “redistribute a portion of oil revenues directly to the population on a per capita basis”… but who has heard a word on that truly democracy empowering proposal since?</p> <p>http://perkurowski.blogspot.com/2007/08/pleasewhile-you-are-busy-leaving-iraq.html<br /> </p> The problem is that most, instead of looking to help create the conditions for a sustainable democracy to prosper, are mostly trying to impose their own democracy on others.

In Iraq the sine qua nom condition for having a sustainable democracy is an oil revenue sharing system that hinders the concentration of oil wealth in the hands of governments and bureaucrats. The Iraq Study Group Report, 2006, even mentioned to “redistribute a portion of oil revenues directly to the population on a per capita basis”… but who has heard a word on that truly democracy empowering proposal since?

http://perkurowski.blogspot.com/2007/08/pleasewhile-you-are-busy-leaving-iraq.html

]]> By: LowcountryJoe http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html/comment-page-1#comment-29881 LowcountryJoe Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:54:58 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3066#comment-29881 <p><i>>>The Iraq War was all about Bush's personal dislike for Saddam, little more.<<</i></p> <p>Which time, bartman? Because this most recent time, I thought it was about enforcing U.N. Security Council resolutions...namely that Saddam had kicked out weapons inspectors for the second time in five years.</p> >>The Iraq War was all about Bush's personal dislike for Saddam, little more.<<

Which time, bartman? Because this most recent time, I thought it was about enforcing U.N. Security Council resolutions…namely that Saddam had kicked out weapons inspectors for the second time in five years.

]]> By: bartman http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html/comment-page-1#comment-29880 bartman Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:29:18 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3066#comment-29880 <p>Nice attempt at the big lie, Ray. Iraq was not a threat to the US, and would likely never have become one. The only "international terrorism" it was involved in was funnelling money to Palestinians fighting Israel.</p> <p>That was Israel's problem, but not America's.</p> <p>The Iraq War was all about Bush's personal dislike for Saddam, little more. However, you appear to be a military man, so I could understand why you need a large underlying narrative to justify and rationalize the deaths of so many of your military brothers and sisters. If I saw many people I cared for sacrifice themselves for folly, I'd either go nuts or have to convince myself it was somehow for the good.</p> Nice attempt at the big lie, Ray. Iraq was not a threat to the US, and would likely never have become one. The only "international terrorism" it was involved in was funnelling money to Palestinians fighting Israel.

That was Israel's problem, but not America's.

The Iraq War was all about Bush's personal dislike for Saddam, little more. However, you appear to be a military man, so I could understand why you need a large underlying narrative to justify and rationalize the deaths of so many of your military brothers and sisters. If I saw many people I cared for sacrifice themselves for folly, I'd either go nuts or have to convince myself it was somehow for the good.

]]> By: David Gagnon http://cafehayek.com/2008/09/neocons-especia.html/comment-page-1#comment-29879 David Gagnon Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:48:44 +0000 http://localhost/wordpress/?p=3066#comment-29879 <p>I have always consider that the democratization of Iraq and Afghanistan was a collateral effect of the invasion but not the primary reason of the invasion.</p> I have always consider that the democratization of Iraq and Afghanistan was a collateral effect of the invasion but not the primary reason of the invasion.

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