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		<title>By: LowcountryJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>LowcountryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Free trade dogma&quot; is, as I understood it, the idea that the world will fall apart without completely unfettered trade; that any tariff, no matter how small, will be the end of all of us; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hyperbole much?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;and that any defense of anything that inhibits unequivocal free trade is per se nonsense that isn&#039;t subject to debate.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s at least some ring of truth to this portion.  I&#039;ll jealously defend liberty but that doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s not open for debate.  It just means that the debate opponent doesn&#039;t much value his or her own liberty (or the liberty of others) to voluntarily exchange items with others in the marketplace.  I personally think that that&#039;s nonsense but I do understand and realize that there are others (and it seems like that you&#039;re one of them), who would advocate using the power of the state to make it more difficult for me and others to freely exchange items.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;Free trade dogma&quot; is, as I understood it, the idea that the world will fall apart without completely unfettered trade; that any tariff, no matter how small, will be the end of all of us; </i></p>
<p>Hyperbole much?</p>
<p><i>and that any defense of anything that inhibits unequivocal free trade is per se nonsense that isn&#39;t subject to debate.</i></p>
<p>There&#39;s at least some ring of truth to this portion.  I&#39;ll jealously defend liberty but that doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s not open for debate.  It just means that the debate opponent doesn&#39;t much value his or her own liberty (or the liberty of others) to voluntarily exchange items with others in the marketplace.  I personally think that that&#39;s nonsense but I do understand and realize that there are others (and it seems like that you&#39;re one of them), who would advocate using the power of the state to make it more difficult for me and others to freely exchange items.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Free trade dogma&quot; is, as I understood it, the idea that the world will fall apart without completely unfettered trade; that any tariff, no matter how small, will be the end of all of us; and that any defense of anything that inhibits unequivocal free trade is per se nonsense that isn&#039;t subject to debate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Free trade dogma&quot; is, as I understood it, the idea that the world will fall apart without completely unfettered trade; that any tariff, no matter how small, will be the end of all of us; and that any defense of anything that inhibits unequivocal free trade is per se nonsense that isn&#39;t subject to debate.</p>
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		<title>By: jl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Will no one own this sentence?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;We&#039;ve mentioned before the curious fact that economists go into convulsions at even the slightest skepticism towards free trade dogma.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What is &quot;free trade dogma&quot;?  I have to assume that it refers to comparative advantage and gains from trade.  To what else could it refer?  Over what other notions of trade would economists (not SOME economists mind you, but economists in general) go into anything like &quot;convulsions&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t bother to claim that &quot;free trade dogma&quot; refers to the notion that international trade is currently unfettered.  I&#039;ve not seen one economist so much as raise an eyebrow at the suggestion that much progress has yet to be made before international trade can be said to be free.  Convulsions?  Not even close.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No.  Wiggle all you want, but there is no reasonable interpretation for this lead sentence other than that the author finds it odd that economists as a group would defend free trade.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Really, this isn&#039;t difficult.  If you find it painful to be accused of writing nonsense, don&#039;t write nonsense.  It&#039;s no guarantee, of course, but it is a good place to start.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>&quot;We&#39;ve mentioned before the curious fact that economists go into convulsions at even the slightest skepticism towards free trade dogma.&quot;</p>
<p>What is &quot;free trade dogma&quot;?  I have to assume that it refers to comparative advantage and gains from trade.  To what else could it refer?  Over what other notions of trade would economists (not SOME economists mind you, but economists in general) go into anything like &quot;convulsions&quot;?</p>
<p>Don&#39;t bother to claim that &quot;free trade dogma&quot; refers to the notion that international trade is currently unfettered.  I&#39;ve not seen one economist so much as raise an eyebrow at the suggestion that much progress has yet to be made before international trade can be said to be free.  Convulsions?  Not even close.</p>
<p>No.  Wiggle all you want, but there is no reasonable interpretation for this lead sentence other than that the author finds it odd that economists as a group would defend free trade.</p>
<p>Really, this isn&#39;t difficult.  If you find it painful to be accused of writing nonsense, don&#39;t write nonsense.  It&#39;s no guarantee, of course, but it is a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth A. Male</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth A. Male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;International free trade does not and will not exist as long as an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy such as the WTO oversees international trade.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Absent from this discussion is any mention of the differential tax treatment of the US Corporate Net Income Tax and the VAT.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before we can seriously discuss &quot;free trade&quot; we must insist on leveling the tax playing field.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please see this Op Ed from recognized expert, Gary Clyde Hufbauer:  http://www.iie.com/publications/opeds/oped.cfm?ResearchID=197&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And my written testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee:  http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&amp;id=4087&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And this hearing transcript:  http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/108h/92596.pdf&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While this differential tax treatment exists, free trade is a noble myth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>International free trade does not and will not exist as long as an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy such as the WTO oversees international trade.</p>
<p>Absent from this discussion is any mention of the differential tax treatment of the US Corporate Net Income Tax and the VAT.</p>
<p>Before we can seriously discuss &quot;free trade&quot; we must insist on leveling the tax playing field.</p>
<p>Please see this Op Ed from recognized expert, Gary Clyde Hufbauer:  <a href="http://www.iie.com/publications/opeds/oped.cfm?ResearchID=197" rel="nofollow">http://www.iie.com/publications/opeds/oped.cfm?ResearchID=197</a></p>
<p>And my written testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee:  <a href="http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&#038;id=4087" rel="nofollow">http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&#038;id=4087</a></p>
<p>And this hearing transcript:  <a href="http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/108h/92596.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/108h/92596.pdf</a></p>
<p>While this differential tax treatment exists, free trade is a noble myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Man, I love being right. And it happens so darn often, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Carney</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44108</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for discussing my article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, let&#039;s make a distinction: That extended quote that Mr. Boudreaux seemed to find objectionable was from my column, not Weisenthal&#039;s post. Let&#039;s leave Weisenthal out of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My column only praised free trade, and, as some commenters above have pointed out, explicitly made it clear I was speaking about politicians. Perhaps &quot;official voices&quot; was the wrong way to put it, but I was talking about the recent President, the Congressional committee chairmen, and the new Commerce Secretary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point of my article was to point out how free-market arguments get used as a cover for corporate welfare. Most of my articles focus on the Baptist-and-Bootlegger phenomenon like this: how altruistic, principled arguments are used to justify special government favors. Most of the time it is a &quot;consumer protection regulation&quot; that really helps the largest manufacturers crush smaller competitors, but this time it&#039;s &quot;free trade&quot; as a cover for subsidized trade.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This post, I hate to say it, seems to be one of those &quot;convulsions&quot; Weisenthal wrote about. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for discussing my article.</p>
<p>First, let&#39;s make a distinction: That extended quote that Mr. Boudreaux seemed to find objectionable was from my column, not Weisenthal&#39;s post. Let&#39;s leave Weisenthal out of it.</p>
<p>My column only praised free trade, and, as some commenters above have pointed out, explicitly made it clear I was speaking about politicians. Perhaps &quot;official voices&quot; was the wrong way to put it, but I was talking about the recent President, the Congressional committee chairmen, and the new Commerce Secretary.</p>
<p>The point of my article was to point out how free-market arguments get used as a cover for corporate welfare. Most of my articles focus on the Baptist-and-Bootlegger phenomenon like this: how altruistic, principled arguments are used to justify special government favors. Most of the time it is a &quot;consumer protection regulation&quot; that really helps the largest manufacturers crush smaller competitors, but this time it&#39;s &quot;free trade&quot; as a cover for subsidized trade.</p>
<p>This post, I hate to say it, seems to be one of those &quot;convulsions&quot; Weisenthal wrote about. </p>
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		<title>By: jl</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44107</link>
		<dc:creator>jl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;We&#039;ve mentioned before the curious fact that economists go into convulsions at even the slightest skepticism towards free trade dogma.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First sentence.  This snarky comment doesn&#039;t call into question the value of free trade?  &quot;Curious fact&quot;?  &quot;Convulsions&quot;?  &quot;Sightest  skepticism&quot;?  &quot;Dogma&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Really?  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;We&#39;ve mentioned before the curious fact that economists go into convulsions at even the slightest skepticism towards free trade dogma.&quot;</p>
<p>First sentence.  This snarky comment doesn&#39;t call into question the value of free trade?  &quot;Curious fact&quot;?  &quot;Convulsions&quot;?  &quot;Sightest  skepticism&quot;?  &quot;Dogma&quot;?</p>
<p>Really?  </p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44106</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I only taste Carney&#039;s disdain for the words &quot;free trade&quot; in the mouths of politicians, including corporate officers and lobbyists. He isn&#039;t addressing any idealistic policy at all. He&#039;s addressing international trade as it really is, and it really isn&#039;t ideally Free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To a politician, &quot;freedom&quot; describes his ability to tell you what to do without interference from anyone else, including you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only taste Carney&#39;s disdain for the words &quot;free trade&quot; in the mouths of politicians, including corporate officers and lobbyists. He isn&#39;t addressing any idealistic policy at all. He&#39;s addressing international trade as it really is, and it really isn&#39;t ideally Free.</p>
<p>To a politician, &quot;freedom&quot; describes his ability to tell you what to do without interference from anyone else, including you.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would dispute H. Harrison above on one point. I read the article and I taste the disdain and denigration of free trade in Mr. Carney&#039;s words.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would dispute H. Harrison above on one point. I read the article and I taste the disdain and denigration of free trade in Mr. Carney&#39;s words.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44105</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It is the most un-free market we have, and virtually no one ever points out that labor is a commodity that is traded.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Labor is not technically a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commodity&lt;/a&gt;, but ironically, in the U.S., international trade in the least skilled labor, which is closest to a commodity, is freest for two reasons. First, as a practical matter, we just can&#039;t stop the flow across our southern border. Second, many powers that be don&#039;t really want to stop it. I don&#039;t want to stop it either, but effectively tolerating massive trade in unskilled labor while strictly limiting trade in skilled labor is an insane policy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I supported Ron Paul and could enthusiastically support him again, but I&#039;ve never liked his support for a border fence or opposition to birthright citizenship and amnesty for illegal immigrants. His utopian vision of a gold standard puts me off too. A decentralized monetary authority is defensible, but I wish libertarian champions of decentralized authority would entertain models other than fixing the price of a single commodity. I like his opposition to the corporative warfare state and empire much better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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It is the most un-free market we have, and virtually no one ever points out that labor is a commodity that is traded.
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<p>Labor is not technically a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity" rel="nofollow">commodity</a>, but ironically, in the U.S., international trade in the least skilled labor, which is closest to a commodity, is freest for two reasons. First, as a practical matter, we just can&#39;t stop the flow across our southern border. Second, many powers that be don&#39;t really want to stop it. I don&#39;t want to stop it either, but effectively tolerating massive trade in unskilled labor while strictly limiting trade in skilled labor is an insane policy.</p>
<p>I supported Ron Paul and could enthusiastically support him again, but I&#39;ve never liked his support for a border fence or opposition to birthright citizenship and amnesty for illegal immigrants. His utopian vision of a gold standard puts me off too. A decentralized monetary authority is defensible, but I wish libertarian champions of decentralized authority would entertain models other than fixing the price of a single commodity. I like his opposition to the corporative warfare state and empire much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Weisenthal</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44104</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Weisenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Funny, my opening comment to my post was about people who go into convulsions at any questioning of free trade orthodoxy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And then Don -- without having taken the time to figure out who wrote what -- blasts it, calls it &quot;the most disingenuous that I&#039;ve ever read.&quot; and &quot;a spoof&quot; and uses phrases like &quot;this side of toddlerhood.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I guess that proves my point, eh?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s ok, Cafe Hayek is still one of my favorite econ blogs. I read it every day without fail.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, Russ, big &quot;Invisible Heart&quot; fan!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, my opening comment to my post was about people who go into convulsions at any questioning of free trade orthodoxy.</p>
<p>And then Don &#8212; without having taken the time to figure out who wrote what &#8212; blasts it, calls it &quot;the most disingenuous that I&#39;ve ever read.&quot; and &quot;a spoof&quot; and uses phrases like &quot;this side of toddlerhood.&quot;</p>
<p>So I guess that proves my point, eh?</p>
<p>That&#39;s ok, Cafe Hayek is still one of my favorite econ blogs. I read it every day without fail.</p>
<p>Also, Russ, big &quot;Invisible Heart&quot; fan!</p>
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		<title>By: LowcountryJoe</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/03/serious-and-pseudoserious-arguments-about-trade.html/comment-page-1#comment-44103</link>
		<dc:creator>LowcountryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;But today we know better. Lincoln was inadvertently doing the Confederacy a favour. By preventing foreign competition, Southern industries were strengthened, and jobs with both saved and created.&lt;/i&gt; ~ Lee Kelly&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Clever and razor-sharp comment!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It is an interesting thing the author points out - that more people raise hell over tariffs than they do over export subsidies. I wonder why that is?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re both bad for the taxpayer-citizen in the domestic country.  The difference is, is in the way they play out.  The tariff is a barrier to trade whereas the export subisdy is a manipulation of the true marketplace realities, ultimately lowering the cost of goods availible for importation by foreigners.  The net effects are a lot like the effects foreign aid...and you wont find too many Left-leaning vocal protests or media types get all that mad about spending taxpayer money to help a domestic business service the wants and needs of foreigners [that&#039;s as long as the work is done here by union labor, of course].&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>But today we know better. Lincoln was inadvertently doing the Confederacy a favour. By preventing foreign competition, Southern industries were strengthened, and jobs with both saved and created.</i> ~ Lee Kelly</p></blockquote>
<p>Clever and razor-sharp comment!</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It is an interesting thing the author points out &#8211; that more people raise hell over tariffs than they do over export subsidies. I wonder why that is?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>They&#39;re both bad for the taxpayer-citizen in the domestic country.  The difference is, is in the way they play out.  The tariff is a barrier to trade whereas the export subisdy is a manipulation of the true marketplace realities, ultimately lowering the cost of goods availible for importation by foreigners.  The net effects are a lot like the effects foreign aid&#8230;and you wont find too many Left-leaning vocal protests or media types get all that mad about spending taxpayer money to help a domestic business service the wants and needs of foreigners [that&#39;s as long as the work is done here by union labor, of course].</p>
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		<title>By: seanooski</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanooski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would add that by and large, businessmen are notoriously bad capitalists. They don&#039;t believe in free markets, they believe in markets rigged to favor themselves against their competition. Nothing new about that at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that by and large, businessmen are notoriously bad capitalists. They don&#39;t believe in free markets, they believe in markets rigged to favor themselves against their competition. Nothing new about that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: seanooski</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanooski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t read the entire article, but clearly, if we are discussing politicians, they have been quite hypocritical about free trade for a very long time, especially Republicans. They use the rhetoric of free trade to impress the libertarian wing, but when they find themselves in power, they do what all crooks do, they cheat and steal(that is, impose tariffs and subsidies). This has served to harm the cause of free markets more than out and out opposition to them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Martin, right on with your comment concerning trade in labor. It is the most un-free market we have, and virtually no one ever points out that labor is a commodity that is traded. They discuss the limiting of labor imports as &quot;protecting the borders&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#39;t read the entire article, but clearly, if we are discussing politicians, they have been quite hypocritical about free trade for a very long time, especially Republicans. They use the rhetoric of free trade to impress the libertarian wing, but when they find themselves in power, they do what all crooks do, they cheat and steal(that is, impose tariffs and subsidies). This has served to harm the cause of free markets more than out and out opposition to them.</p>
<p>Martin, right on with your comment concerning trade in labor. It is the most un-free market we have, and virtually no one ever points out that labor is a commodity that is traded. They discuss the limiting of labor imports as &quot;protecting the borders&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I 3rd Harrison&#039;s analysis, and I don&#039;t find much to dispute in Carney&#039;s article either. It&#039;s like Don wants to preach his idealistic free trade message without seeming to 2nd Carney and Weisenthal&#039;s critique of corporatist-political hypocrisy. In reality, the politicians (including corporatist CEOs) with &quot;free trade&quot; on their lips are shameless whores as much as other politicians.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I 3rd Harrison&#39;s analysis, and I don&#39;t find much to dispute in Carney&#39;s article either. It&#39;s like Don wants to preach his idealistic free trade message without seeming to 2nd Carney and Weisenthal&#39;s critique of corporatist-political hypocrisy. In reality, the politicians (including corporatist CEOs) with &quot;free trade&quot; on their lips are shameless whores as much as other politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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So, the world of free trade doesn&#039;t exist and that is proof that free trade is to be avoided?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The article never says that free trade should be avoided. It asserts a double standard towards tariffs vs. subsidies, and it asserts that &quot;free trade&quot; generally, in political rhetoric, is disingenuous, because international trade is anything but free. I hardly found an objectionable word in the article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My principal grievance with the article involves the double, triple and quadruple standards it omits, particularly involving the most egregious interference in free, international trade, trade in the most valuable resource, labor. This massive protectionism is so cloaked in political newspeak that we don&#039;t even discuss it under the rubric of &quot;trade&quot;. It&#039;s called &quot;immigration&quot; instead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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So, the world of free trade doesn&#39;t exist and that is proof that free trade is to be avoided?
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<p>The article never says that free trade should be avoided. It asserts a double standard towards tariffs vs. subsidies, and it asserts that &quot;free trade&quot; generally, in political rhetoric, is disingenuous, because international trade is anything but free. I hardly found an objectionable word in the article.</p>
<p>My principal grievance with the article involves the double, triple and quadruple standards it omits, particularly involving the most egregious interference in free, international trade, trade in the most valuable resource, labor. This massive protectionism is so cloaked in political newspeak that we don&#39;t even discuss it under the rubric of &quot;trade&quot;. It&#39;s called &quot;immigration&quot; instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where did Carney say politicians were offering the &quot;best&quot; arguments for free trade? Or that he was &quot;shocked!&quot; at the hypocrisy of the politicians? Carney writes that Gary Locke supports subsidies and corporate welfare, and, despite those actions, has long espoused &quot;free trade.&quot; Is that not correct? If not, show us why. If it is, then where&#039;s the controversy? Carney&#039;s post seems straightforward: many of the people using free trade rhetoric don&#039;t support genuine free trade. You seem to agree with that. What&#039;s the problem?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Truest and best&quot; does not equal &quot;leading official.&quot; That&#039;s the source of your error. Carney isn&#039;t attacking free trade, and nowhere does he indicate that the people he cites in the post are the intellectual standard-bearers of the free trade movement. To me, that&#039;s an obvious point that yields one of two conclusions: 1) you just swung hard and missed wildly on this one, or 2) this post is itself disingenuous. As a longtime reader of the Cafe and your writing in the Freeman, I don&#039;t believe the latter. So I&#039;ll just chalk this one up to the fact that no one is perfect, and assume you&#039;ll  come around on this eventually.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did Carney say politicians were offering the &quot;best&quot; arguments for free trade? Or that he was &quot;shocked!&quot; at the hypocrisy of the politicians? Carney writes that Gary Locke supports subsidies and corporate welfare, and, despite those actions, has long espoused &quot;free trade.&quot; Is that not correct? If not, show us why. If it is, then where&#39;s the controversy? Carney&#39;s post seems straightforward: many of the people using free trade rhetoric don&#39;t support genuine free trade. You seem to agree with that. What&#39;s the problem?</p>
<p>&quot;Truest and best&quot; does not equal &quot;leading official.&quot; That&#39;s the source of your error. Carney isn&#39;t attacking free trade, and nowhere does he indicate that the people he cites in the post are the intellectual standard-bearers of the free trade movement. To me, that&#39;s an obvious point that yields one of two conclusions: 1) you just swung hard and missed wildly on this one, or 2) this post is itself disingenuous. As a longtime reader of the Cafe and your writing in the Freeman, I don&#39;t believe the latter. So I&#39;ll just chalk this one up to the fact that no one is perfect, and assume you&#39;ll  come around on this eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: The Albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here, Here, Lee the same way that the Israelis are helping out Gaza by blockading it. The funny thing is that with the next G-20 Summit we will see both “stop free trade” and “lift the blockade of Gaza” signs carried by the same people in the same streets. I sincerely hope that those I interact with never do me the favour of blockading me. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, Here, Lee the same way that the Israelis are helping out Gaza by blockading it. The funny thing is that with the next G-20 Summit we will see both “stop free trade” and “lift the blockade of Gaza” signs carried by the same people in the same streets. I sincerely hope that those I interact with never do me the favour of blockading me. </p>
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