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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/06/unintendend-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-51473</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;From a purely economic perspective, it has been proven that slave labor couldn&#039;t compete with free labor and that fact was the primary reason slavery eventually ended in societies that had both free and slave labor. What this means is that slave holder costs of taking care of slaves was higher than what he would have paid them had they been free.&quot; - mandeville.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How quaint is not that free labour can be cheaper (though not always) than slave labour such that slave labour loses its relative economic value?  How quaint that the condition of free labour weren&#039;t really that different from slavery except for the right to &#039;leave&#039;.  However slavery was all-in-all ultimately outlawed not merely &#039;phased out&#039;.  What do Libertarians think of slave-owners who tried to hold out to the end and how they hated government telling them what to do about slavery?  Let alone the Confederates who thought that should Negros be protected from slavery with the Declaration of Independence then that document is fundamentally wrong?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the same token, how quaint the immigration debate keeps coming back to Mexico?  Why is that?  Why not Europe or China or South America or Africa?  Cheap labour south of the border?  Native-born Americans would be working for $5 a day if it weren&#039;t dang guvmint hence the need to look abroad?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other, Australians are kicking themselves that they lost Dr Zhengrong Shi.  He wanted $7 million to start a solar panel company, he was knocked back, he went to China where they are trying to &#039;brain-drain&#039; other countries, he get the money, founds SunTech and the rest is, as they say, is history.  B&#039;oh!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;From a purely economic perspective, it has been proven that slave labor couldn&#39;t compete with free labor and that fact was the primary reason slavery eventually ended in societies that had both free and slave labor. What this means is that slave holder costs of taking care of slaves was higher than what he would have paid them had they been free.&quot; &#8211; mandeville.</p>
<p>How quaint is not that free labour can be cheaper (though not always) than slave labour such that slave labour loses its relative economic value?  How quaint that the condition of free labour weren&#39;t really that different from slavery except for the right to &#39;leave&#39;.  However slavery was all-in-all ultimately outlawed not merely &#39;phased out&#39;.  What do Libertarians think of slave-owners who tried to hold out to the end and how they hated government telling them what to do about slavery?  Let alone the Confederates who thought that should Negros be protected from slavery with the Declaration of Independence then that document is fundamentally wrong?</p>
<p>By the same token, how quaint the immigration debate keeps coming back to Mexico?  Why is that?  Why not Europe or China or South America or Africa?  Cheap labour south of the border?  Native-born Americans would be working for $5 a day if it weren&#39;t dang guvmint hence the need to look abroad?</p>
<p>On the other, Australians are kicking themselves that they lost Dr Zhengrong Shi.  He wanted $7 million to start a solar panel company, he was knocked back, he went to China where they are trying to &#39;brain-drain&#39; other countries, he get the money, founds SunTech and the rest is, as they say, is history.  B&#39;oh!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;J Bowen, if this demographic is so wonderful, why is &lt;b&gt;nearly half&lt;/b&gt; of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/vc/murders/vc_murders.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBI&#039;s wanted-for-murder list&lt;/a&gt; populated by illegals from Latin America?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you think this is because the proximity of Latin America makes for an easy escape from the FBI, tell me why not even one Canadian is on that list?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Bowen, if this demographic is so wonderful, why is <b>nearly half</b> of the <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/vc/murders/vc_murders.htm" rel="nofollow">FBI&#39;s wanted-for-murder list</a> populated by illegals from Latin America?  </p>
<p>If you think this is because the proximity of Latin America makes for an easy escape from the FBI, tell me why not even one Canadian is on that list?</p>
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		<title>By: mandeville</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/06/unintendend-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-51471</link>
		<dc:creator>mandeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I went to the &#039;division of labor&#039; site and saw a post on slavery reparations where a member of a former slave&#039;s family was asking the slave holding family for over a billion dollars based on the original lost wages of $11,000. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From a purely economic perspective, it has been proven that slave labor couldn&#039;t compete with free labor and that fact was the primary reason slavery eventually ended in societies that had both free and slave labor. What this means is that slave holder costs of taking care of slaves was higher than what he would have paid them had they been free. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A better question would be if the decendants of slaves could sue those who originally sold them into slavery. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the &#39;division of labor&#39; site and saw a post on slavery reparations where a member of a former slave&#39;s family was asking the slave holding family for over a billion dollars based on the original lost wages of $11,000. </p>
<p>From a purely economic perspective, it has been proven that slave labor couldn&#39;t compete with free labor and that fact was the primary reason slavery eventually ended in societies that had both free and slave labor. What this means is that slave holder costs of taking care of slaves was higher than what he would have paid them had they been free. </p>
<p>A better question would be if the decendants of slaves could sue those who originally sold them into slavery. </p>
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		<title>By: mandeville</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/06/unintendend-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-51470</link>
		<dc:creator>mandeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Dems want the Mexican votes. We&#039;ll never have closed borders. They tend to come here when the economic opportunities are good. A stategy could be to tax them fully as citizens without letting them have any social benefits (welfare, unemployment insurance, social security, etc.)for a required time period. But again, the Dems wouldn&#039;t have this. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Taxation without representation should be the entry fee to get in.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, if we were more libertarian, I couldn&#039;t care less who comes to this country, and either should anyone. If we weren&#039;t a welfare state, they&#039;d add to the GNP, contrary to what those suffering from Dobbs syndrome believe. However, because we are a welfare state and immigrants tend to subsist on the lower rungs of the social order, they might have to be subsidized like the other losers in this country. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems want the Mexican votes. We&#39;ll never have closed borders. They tend to come here when the economic opportunities are good. A stategy could be to tax them fully as citizens without letting them have any social benefits (welfare, unemployment insurance, social security, etc.)for a required time period. But again, the Dems wouldn&#39;t have this. </p>
<p>Taxation without representation should be the entry fee to get in.</p>
<p>Personally, if we were more libertarian, I couldn&#39;t care less who comes to this country, and either should anyone. If we weren&#39;t a welfare state, they&#39;d add to the GNP, contrary to what those suffering from Dobbs syndrome believe. However, because we are a welfare state and immigrants tend to subsist on the lower rungs of the social order, they might have to be subsidized like the other losers in this country. </p>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I agree with MikeP. Legal immigration should be expanded so that illegal immigration is less attractive. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think legal immigration should be expanded so the only people denied entry are provable and specific threats to the public:  e.g., foreign agents, terrorists, violent felons, and carriers of contagion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Under those circumstances, illegal immigration is not merely less attractive:  it is virtually unheard of.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I agree with MikeP. Legal immigration should be expanded so that illegal immigration is less attractive. </em></p>
<p>I think legal immigration should be expanded so the only people denied entry are provable and specific threats to the public:  e.g., foreign agents, terrorists, violent felons, and carriers of contagion.</p>
<p>Under those circumstances, illegal immigration is not merely less attractive:  it is virtually unheard of.</p>
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