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		<title>By: Mike Gibson</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unsafe at Any Speed! &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsafe at Any Speed! </p>
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		<title>By: Devin Snead</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52716</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin Snead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the video.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Seng</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52717</link>
		<dc:creator>Seng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we keep driving through LA we will be drowning from debt.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52718</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, I&#039;m going to pass this one on.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#39;m going to pass this one on.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52719</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent video, will pass it on to a bunch of people.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent video, will pass it on to a bunch of people.</p>
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		<title>By: S Andrews</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52720</link>
		<dc:creator>S Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had posted this in the comment section, a couple of days ago.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: The Marginalist</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52721</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marginalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might want to add his website to this post, http://politicalmath.wordpress.com. He&#039;s got a lot of good stuff there.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to add his website to this post, <a href="http://politicalmath.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://politicalmath.wordpress.com</a>. He&#39;s got a lot of good stuff there.</p>
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		<title>By: Unit</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52722</link>
		<dc:creator>Unit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the road (to serfdom) again...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Keep on trucking (and wheeling and dealing)...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I get my kicks on Route 66 (billions)...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is pregnant with all kinds of analogies.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the road (to serfdom) again&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep on trucking (and wheeling and dealing)&#8230;</p>
<p>I get my kicks on Route 66 (billions)&#8230;</p>
<p>This is pregnant with all kinds of analogies.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52723</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The projections are pie in the sky, but I&#039;m not an Obama defender, and I certainly don&#039;t buy any &quot;Bush was a moderate spender because Obama wants to spend so much more&quot; logic. Bush was a disaster by any measure.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obama wants an even more massive expansion of the state, but I don&#039;t believe he&#039;ll get it, because I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s possible without levels of inflation or taxation that&#039;ll make Obama the next Jimmy Carter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Demand for rents is unprecedented worldwide, but the rest of the friggin&#039; world can&#039;t retire on entitlement to U.S. tax revenue. We aren&#039;t &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; that productive. I&#039;m just not believing it. We&#039;ll inflate our way out of this &quot;debt&quot;, because we can&#039;t possibly do anything else.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The projections are pie in the sky, but I&#39;m not an Obama defender, and I certainly don&#39;t buy any &quot;Bush was a moderate spender because Obama wants to spend so much more&quot; logic. Bush was a disaster by any measure.</p>
<p>Obama wants an even more massive expansion of the state, but I don&#39;t believe he&#39;ll get it, because I don&#39;t believe it&#39;s possible without levels of inflation or taxation that&#39;ll make Obama the next Jimmy Carter.</p>
<p>Demand for rents is unprecedented worldwide, but the rest of the friggin&#39; world can&#39;t retire on entitlement to U.S. tax revenue. We aren&#39;t <em>really</em> that productive. I&#39;m just not believing it. We&#39;ll inflate our way out of this &quot;debt&quot;, because we can&#39;t possibly do anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Mesa Econoguy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52724</link>
		<dc:creator>Mesa Econoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please check your email, Russ.  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please check your email, Russ.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Gardner</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52725</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very cool.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Martin, you missed it bro.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The guys remains agnostic on Democrats and Republicans and acknowledges that W had, at the time, the track speed record.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And by Obama&#039;s own math, he is moving at light speed compared to the rest of the 20th century. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regardless of whether or not he can pull it off, he campaigned on a platform of change while his acolytes decried W&#039;s profligate spending, etc. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now the change we have is simply W on steroids. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great, there goes our hope as well. . . &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool.</p>
<p>Martin, you missed it bro.</p>
<p>The guys remains agnostic on Democrats and Republicans and acknowledges that W had, at the time, the track speed record.</p>
<p>And by Obama&#39;s own math, he is moving at light speed compared to the rest of the 20th century. </p>
<p>Regardless of whether or not he can pull it off, he campaigned on a platform of change while his acolytes decried W&#39;s profligate spending, etc. </p>
<p>Now the change we have is simply W on steroids. </p>
<p>Great, there goes our hope as well. . . </p>
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		<title>By: Lee Kelly</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52726</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What we need is another czar.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Evelyn Guzman</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52727</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn Guzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for the video but as regards to how the Obama administration is approaching our debt, I say give them a chance.  The financial mess they inherited was not built on a day.  In fact it was building up for 8 years.  Give the current administration at least that time frame for the economy to get going again.    &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Evelyn Guzman&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.debtchallenges.com (If you want to visit, just click but if it doesn’t work, copy and paste it onto your browser.) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the video but as regards to how the Obama administration is approaching our debt, I say give them a chance.  The financial mess they inherited was not built on a day.  In fact it was building up for 8 years.  Give the current administration at least that time frame for the economy to get going again.    </p>
<p>Evelyn Guzman<br />
<a href="http://www.debtchallenges.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.debtchallenges.com</a> (If you want to visit, just click but if it doesn’t work, copy and paste it onto your browser.) </p>
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		<title>By: Mesa Econoguy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52728</link>
		<dc:creator>Mesa Econoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Idiot.  That’s asking pyromaniacs to put out a fire.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These people caused the problem, now you think they’ll fix it?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tell you what, I’ll throw in a second bridge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You don’t get “at least that time frame.”  Fail.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiot.  That’s asking pyromaniacs to put out a fire.</p>
<p>These people caused the problem, now you think they’ll fix it?</p>
<p>Tell you what, I’ll throw in a second bridge.</p>
<p>You don’t get “at least that time frame.”  Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Errorfm</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Errorfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do these numbers include the debt interest maintenance?  Was the rate of acceleration that much more than Reagan&#039;s? I can see why a regular Bar or line graph wouldn&#039;t have been so scary. I wonder if your family would go for a ride in a plane or a super-Train? I guess the old canvas covered wagon times were richer times for everyone. HAHAHAHA! Great slight of graph.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do these numbers include the debt interest maintenance?  Was the rate of acceleration that much more than Reagan&#39;s? I can see why a regular Bar or line graph wouldn&#39;t have been so scary. I wonder if your family would go for a ride in a plane or a super-Train? I guess the old canvas covered wagon times were richer times for everyone. HAHAHAHA! Great slight of graph.</p>
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		<title>By: BillOGoods</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52730</link>
		<dc:creator>BillOGoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Give them a chance?  I suppose they said that about the Marxists in 1917, just give &#039;em a chance.  Money is freedom, like it or not.  The more money we borrow, the less free we will become.  The more money the government takes from us in taxes and regulatory compliance (imposed on the private economy), the less free we become.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them a chance?  I suppose they said that about the Marxists in 1917, just give &#39;em a chance.  Money is freedom, like it or not.  The more money we borrow, the less free we will become.  The more money the government takes from us in taxes and regulatory compliance (imposed on the private economy), the less free we become.</p>
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		<title>By: indiana jim</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52731</link>
		<dc:creator>indiana jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guzman,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This nation gave FDR exactly the kind of chance for the same kind of agenda; what happened?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People who are too stupid to learn from history deserve to repeat its great depression.  Only if there are enough people as stupid as you are will we experience the second coming of Keynes.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guzman,</p>
<p>This nation gave FDR exactly the kind of chance for the same kind of agenda; what happened?</p>
<p>People who are too stupid to learn from history deserve to repeat its great depression.  Only if there are enough people as stupid as you are will we experience the second coming of Keynes.</p>
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		<title>By: vikingvista</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52732</link>
		<dc:creator>vikingvista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;In fact it was building up for 8 years.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, its beginning can be pinpointed to January 20, 2001, no?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Partisan hacks&#039; blatant disregard for personal integrity is so amusing.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;In fact it was building up for 8 years.&quot;</p>
<p>In fact, its beginning can be pinpointed to January 20, 2001, no?</p>
<p>Partisan hacks&#39; blatant disregard for personal integrity is so amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: vikingvista</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52733</link>
		<dc:creator>vikingvista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama, as a junior senator at the time, has no significant culpability in the financial crisis.  That is a lucky coincidence for him, since there is every reason to believe he would&#039;ve promulgated the same culpable policies has other Democrats and Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is exemplified by his utter failure to recognize the Federal government cause trifecta that launched the bubble:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. THE STICK:  Federal regulators coercing banks to make risky loans,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. THE CARROT:  GSEs agreeing to take those risky loans off the banks&#039; hands (and place them on the taxpayers&#039;),&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. THE FUEL:  Federal Reserve&#039;s loose monetary policy filling the banks with plenty of money to loan out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead he blames as greedy people who followed the resulting market signals which incorrectly projected ever rising real estate demand.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, as a junior senator at the time, has no significant culpability in the financial crisis.  That is a lucky coincidence for him, since there is every reason to believe he would&#39;ve promulgated the same culpable policies has other Democrats and Republicans.</p>
<p>This is exemplified by his utter failure to recognize the Federal government cause trifecta that launched the bubble:</p>
<p>1. THE STICK:  Federal regulators coercing banks to make risky loans,</p>
<p>2. THE CARROT:  GSEs agreeing to take those risky loans off the banks&#39; hands (and place them on the taxpayers&#39;),</p>
<p>3. THE FUEL:  Federal Reserve&#39;s loose monetary policy filling the banks with plenty of money to loan out.</p>
<p>Instead he blames as greedy people who followed the resulting market signals which incorrectly projected ever rising real estate demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/driving-the-debt-car.html/comment-page-1#comment-52734</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A couple things he&#039;s conveniently leaving out -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. Yes, he adjusted for inflation - but even once you do that real GDP is growing this whole time as well.  It makes no sense to track a dollar amount of debt without reference to what GDP is doing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do this with Debt/GDP and you&#039;ll get a hugely different picture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. WHY did each of these presidents increase or decrease the debt.  Were Roosevelt and Truman especially different leaders with different policy priorities?  Or did they have different circumstances?  How do Reagan, Bush, and Obama&#039;s REASONS for running debt&#039;s compare?  The film&#039;s theory is that people just like Obama personally better.  That&#039;s likely a small part of it... but I&#039;m guessing it has more to do with the fact that people think fighting the largest recession since the GD is a more reasonable reason to run up a debt than a military misadventure and tax cuts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
No serious person interested in and knowledgeable about policy and supportive of Obama isn&#039;t concerned about the debt.  The new-found fiscal restraint of conservatives strikes us as a little odd (not to mention politically convenient), but it&#039;s not like that&#039;s some sort of driving justification for us.  The debt is not unprecedented, as the film suggests it is, and the debt is being taken on for what a lot of people consider to be very justifiable reasons.  You can accept that we&#039;ve thought all that through, or you can accept that we&#039;re just smitten with Obama - it&#039;s your choice.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things he&#39;s conveniently leaving out -</p>
<p>1. Yes, he adjusted for inflation &#8211; but even once you do that real GDP is growing this whole time as well.  It makes no sense to track a dollar amount of debt without reference to what GDP is doing.</p>
<p>Do this with Debt/GDP and you&#39;ll get a hugely different picture.</p>
<p>2. WHY did each of these presidents increase or decrease the debt.  Were Roosevelt and Truman especially different leaders with different policy priorities?  Or did they have different circumstances?  How do Reagan, Bush, and Obama&#39;s REASONS for running debt&#39;s compare?  The film&#39;s theory is that people just like Obama personally better.  That&#39;s likely a small part of it&#8230; but I&#39;m guessing it has more to do with the fact that people think fighting the largest recession since the GD is a more reasonable reason to run up a debt than a military misadventure and tax cuts.</p>
<p>
No serious person interested in and knowledgeable about policy and supportive of Obama isn&#39;t concerned about the debt.  The new-found fiscal restraint of conservatives strikes us as a little odd (not to mention politically convenient), but it&#39;s not like that&#39;s some sort of driving justification for us.  The debt is not unprecedented, as the film suggests it is, and the debt is being taken on for what a lot of people consider to be very justifiable reasons.  You can accept that we&#39;ve thought all that through, or you can accept that we&#39;re just smitten with Obama &#8211; it&#39;s your choice.</p>
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