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		<title>By: Prozac dangers.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prozac dangers.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Side effects of prozac....&lt;/strong&gt;

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<p>What is prozac used for. Prozac use in dogs. Does prozac make you gain weight&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First comes organization &lt;br /&gt;
then comes expansion&lt;br /&gt;
then comes administration&lt;br /&gt;
then comes defending territory&lt;br /&gt;
then comes dividing the spoils&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And you sir, how would you like your piece of the pie?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First comes organization <br />
then comes expansion<br />
then comes administration<br />
then comes defending territory<br />
then comes dividing the spoils</p>
<p>And you sir, how would you like your piece of the pie?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Affluence always breeds apathy, and apathy is corrosive. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I used to cringe when my dad would talk about America&#039;s golden years being past, but it is true. We&#039;ve peaked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The greatest generation wasn&#039;t so great in context to their ancestors, but they just happen to be the last of those generations before we crested that hill. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affluence always breeds apathy, and apathy is corrosive. </p>
<p>I used to cringe when my dad would talk about America&#39;s golden years being past, but it is true. We&#39;ve peaked.</p>
<p>The greatest generation wasn&#39;t so great in context to their ancestors, but they just happen to be the last of those generations before we crested that hill. </p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isolationism was a reasonbale policy back in those days, but the world is a lot smaller now, and today Teheran and New York are not much further apart geopolitically than Lexington and Concord in those days.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isolationism was a reasonbale policy back in those days, but the world is a lot smaller now, and today Teheran and New York are not much further apart geopolitically than Lexington and Concord in those days.  </p>
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		<title>By: Pingry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pingry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yeah, we all know that modern politicians will do anything to oppress the many to benefit the few, but seriously, does anyone really believe in the &quot;memory&quot; of the &quot;founders&quot; and &quot;patriots&quot;, many of whom paid lip service to ideas of liberty and justice, yet were slaveowners themselves, not the least of which was George Mason himself?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If we really want to understand the Fourth of July, I highly recommend reading a speech written by a real libertarian, Frederick Douglass, entitled &quot;What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Douglass gave his speech on July 5, 1852, at Corinthian Hall in Rochester, N.Y., where his powerful words rang out.  &quot;What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us?&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Indeed, Douglass would claim that the nation is &quot;your nation&quot;, the fathers &quot;your fathers.&quot; The nation&#039;s story is taught in &quot;your common schools, narrated at your firesides, unfolded from your pulpits.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Below is a full passage:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I am not included within the pale of glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common.  The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, let&#039;s not fool ourselves into thinking that the &quot;founders&quot; were noble people, and somehow different from modern politicians.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They were savage hypocrites who talked and wrote about freedom and liberty, but only as it pertained to them and people like them, while grossly denying it to others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Suddenly, their memory isn&#039;t so nice after all, is it?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;--Pingry&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Yeah, we all know that modern politicians will do anything to oppress the many to benefit the few, but seriously, does anyone really believe in the &quot;memory&quot; of the &quot;founders&quot; and &quot;patriots&quot;, many of whom paid lip service to ideas of liberty and justice, yet were slaveowners themselves, not the least of which was George Mason himself?</p>
<p>If we really want to understand the Fourth of July, I highly recommend reading a speech written by a real libertarian, Frederick Douglass, entitled &quot;What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?&quot;</p>
<p>Douglass gave his speech on July 5, 1852, at Corinthian Hall in Rochester, N.Y., where his powerful words rang out.  &quot;What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us?&quot; </p>
<p>Indeed, Douglass would claim that the nation is &quot;your nation&quot;, the fathers &quot;your fathers.&quot; The nation&#39;s story is taught in &quot;your common schools, narrated at your firesides, unfolded from your pulpits.&quot;</p>
<p>Below is a full passage:</p>
<p>&quot;I am not included within the pale of glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common.  The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony.&quot;</p>
<p>So, let&#39;s not fool ourselves into thinking that the &quot;founders&quot; were noble people, and somehow different from modern politicians.  </p>
<p>They were savage hypocrites who talked and wrote about freedom and liberty, but only as it pertained to them and people like them, while grossly denying it to others.</p>
<p>Suddenly, their memory isn&#39;t so nice after all, is it?</p>
<p>&#8211;Pingry</p>
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