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		<title>By: Easing symptoms of vicodin withdrawal.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Easing symptoms of vicodin withdrawal.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vicodin....&lt;/strong&gt;

Vicodin. Vicodin at overseas pharmacies. Buy vicodin online without a prescription....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vicodin&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Vicodin. Vicodin at overseas pharmacies. Buy vicodin online without a prescription&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything in our nation seems to all come down to money.Wasn&#039;t the United States a happier nation when things like family and caring for others was more important?The fact is not one we like to face. So many people go without and not because they don&#039;t work hard enough. Not because they don&#039;t deserve it. Honestly we take better care of the criminals in this country than we do the honest working men and women! When in jail they don&#039;t deny you a doctor,but since I am not in jail and am working hard to care for my family I get nothing, and to top that all off who pays for convicts to see a doctor? Why we do of course! I am a 27 year old mother of 4.My health insurance recently went up by $200.00/month! I now pay a grand total of $450.00/month!With a $30.00 co-pay at the doctor and a $1,000.00 deductable! This painfully just pays for the kids.I cannot afford to add myself. I don&#039;t even know how much longer I can keep up with the bill month after month.I am in danger of loosing health insurance for my children really soon if something doesn&#039;t happen soon! As for myself I have not seen a doctor for myself since I was 17,soon to be 11 years ago! I am not asking for a hand out.I don&#039;t receive any state benefits of any kind.The sad fact of all this is that there are millions of good people out there just like me,in need of help.I am a patriot and to me there is no better place on earth like America and I am proud and lucky to be an American.What hurts though is seeing my nation get worked up and get behind a war,whatever the costs......but we question paying for health care? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything in our nation seems to all come down to money.Wasn&#8217;t the United States a happier nation when things like family and caring for others was more important?The fact is not one we like to face. So many people go without and not because they don&#8217;t work hard enough. Not because they don&#8217;t deserve it. Honestly we take better care of the criminals in this country than we do the honest working men and women! When in jail they don&#8217;t deny you a doctor,but since I am not in jail and am working hard to care for my family I get nothing, and to top that all off who pays for convicts to see a doctor? Why we do of course! I am a 27 year old mother of 4.My health insurance recently went up by $200.00/month! I now pay a grand total of $450.00/month!With a $30.00 co-pay at the doctor and a $1,000.00 deductable! This painfully just pays for the kids.I cannot afford to add myself. I don&#8217;t even know how much longer I can keep up with the bill month after month.I am in danger of loosing health insurance for my children really soon if something doesn&#8217;t happen soon! As for myself I have not seen a doctor for myself since I was 17,soon to be 11 years ago! I am not asking for a hand out.I don&#8217;t receive any state benefits of any kind.The sad fact of all this is that there are millions of good people out there just like me,in need of help.I am a patriot and to me there is no better place on earth like America and I am proud and lucky to be an American.What hurts though is seeing my nation get worked up and get behind a war,whatever the costs&#8230;&#8230;but we question paying for health care?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51979</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you want &quot;Controls&quot; to appear as &quot;Control&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you want &quot;Controls&quot; to appear as &quot;Control&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51980</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think he&#039;s arguing that it&#039;s a model just yet - simply that it is where, in Krugman&#039;s words, there is &quot;serious consideration&quot; of how to move away from fee for service.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, what I find more disjointed isn&#039;t the claim about Massachusetts - I largely agree with that one.  What I find inconsistent is Krugman&#039;s rush to a national public plan at all in light of problems at the state level still.  The most recent post on my blog is one about exactly this - letting the states take the initiative on health reform the way they did with welfare reform.  To the extent that any states perform especially well, those best practices can be applied elsewhere.  Some things can and should be done nationally this year: eliminating the tax priveleges of employer coverage, adjusting Medicare fee-for-service, and perhaps expanding Medicaid somewhat if that seems appropriate.  But I don&#039;t understand the logic of the rush to the national public plan.  One thing I actually did find refreshing and different in this morning&#039;s article was that for once Krugman somewhat silenced the public plan drumbeat and outlined in broader terms what needs to be accomplished.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m amazed that Krugman, as the preeminent Keynesian today when it comes to macro policy, completely ignores Keynes&#039;s advice on reform:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;You are engaged on a double task, Recovery and Reform;--recovery from the slump and the passage of those business and social reforms which are long overdue. For the first, speed and quick results are essential. The second may be urgent too; but haste will be injurious, and wisdom of long-range purpose is more necessary than immediate achievement... even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good post Don - have a good weekend everybody.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think he&#39;s arguing that it&#39;s a model just yet &#8211; simply that it is where, in Krugman&#39;s words, there is &quot;serious consideration&quot; of how to move away from fee for service.  </p>
<p>Anyway, what I find more disjointed isn&#39;t the claim about Massachusetts &#8211; I largely agree with that one.  What I find inconsistent is Krugman&#39;s rush to a national public plan at all in light of problems at the state level still.  The most recent post on my blog is one about exactly this &#8211; letting the states take the initiative on health reform the way they did with welfare reform.  To the extent that any states perform especially well, those best practices can be applied elsewhere.  Some things can and should be done nationally this year: eliminating the tax priveleges of employer coverage, adjusting Medicare fee-for-service, and perhaps expanding Medicaid somewhat if that seems appropriate.  But I don&#39;t understand the logic of the rush to the national public plan.  One thing I actually did find refreshing and different in this morning&#39;s article was that for once Krugman somewhat silenced the public plan drumbeat and outlined in broader terms what needs to be accomplished.</p>
<p>I&#39;m amazed that Krugman, as the preeminent Keynesian today when it comes to macro policy, completely ignores Keynes&#39;s advice on reform:</p>
<p>&quot;You are engaged on a double task, Recovery and Reform;&#8211;recovery from the slump and the passage of those business and social reforms which are long overdue. For the first, speed and quick results are essential. The second may be urgent too; but haste will be injurious, and wisdom of long-range purpose is more necessary than immediate achievement&#8230; even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery.&quot;</p>
<p>Good post Don &#8211; have a good weekend everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t wait to vote for Romney in 2012.  He&#039;ll really put an end to all this out-of-control healthcare nonsense President Obama&#039;s been trying to foist on us.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t wait to vote for Romney in 2012.  He&#39;ll really put an end to all this out-of-control healthcare nonsense President Obama&#39;s been trying to foist on us.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51982</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, Don, I just watched the &lt;a href=&quot;http://reason.com/blog/show/134984.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reason TV episode on trade&lt;/a&gt; in which you appear throughout.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are bikini clad babes, guys, so check it out.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Don, I just watched the <a href="http://reason.com/blog/show/134984.html" rel="nofollow">Reason TV episode on trade</a> in which you appear throughout.</p>
<p>There are bikini clad babes, guys, so check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BamBam&#039;s plan will will absolutely cut costs.  He just told us to &quot;embrace hospices as a legitimate option&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In reality, at some point, we will all have to &quot;embrace hospice as a legitimate option&quot;, but in the government health care meat grinder, it&#039;ll be the government deciding when that will be instead of you and your family.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, it&#039;s better, faster, cheaper!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This guy really thinks Americans are his Lordship&#039;s serfs.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BamBam&#39;s plan will will absolutely cut costs.  He just told us to &quot;embrace hospices as a legitimate option&quot;. </p>
<p>In reality, at some point, we will all have to &quot;embrace hospice as a legitimate option&quot;, but in the government health care meat grinder, it&#39;ll be the government deciding when that will be instead of you and your family.</p>
<p>But, it&#39;s better, faster, cheaper!!!</p>
<p>This guy really thinks Americans are his Lordship&#39;s serfs.</p>
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		<title>By: OregonGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OregonGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is all going to turn out well. We simply need to believe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;C&#039;mon, Tinkerbell!&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all going to turn out well. We simply need to believe.</p>
<p>C&#39;mon, Tinkerbell!<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another Dave</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51985</link>
		<dc:creator>yet another Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m shocked!  Do you mean to tell me that a government-run health insurance system is MORE expensive than other alternatives??!?!??!?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who could have predicted such a thing?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m shocked!  Do you mean to tell me that a government-run health insurance system is MORE expensive than other alternatives??!?!??!?</p>
<p>Who could have predicted such a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: yet another Dave</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51986</link>
		<dc:creator>yet another Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But of course, the Obama-Nation Health System will be much cheaper than Romney-Care.  Just ask the Annointed One.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course, the Obama-Nation Health System will be much cheaper than Romney-Care.  Just ask the Annointed One.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another Dave</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51987</link>
		<dc:creator>yet another Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;/sarcasm&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51988</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gosh - data.  Wonder why those never appear in Krugman&#039;s columns.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh &#8211; data.  Wonder why those never appear in Krugman&#39;s columns.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another Dave</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/will-pres-obamas-healthcare-reform-controls-costs-or-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-51989</link>
		<dc:creator>yet another Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having read the article I can confidently say that Krugman is an idiot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that&#039;s OK, what he lacks by way of a clue he more than makes up for with arrogance.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the article I can confidently say that Krugman is an idiot.</p>
<p>But that&#39;s OK, what he lacks by way of a clue he more than makes up for with arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: K Ackermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Ackermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;4 mayors, and people you would expect to be untainted by corruption were arrested yesterday for corruption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They were rolled over by a different arrest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How much health care money flows as graft?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 mayors, and people you would expect to be untainted by corruption were arrested yesterday for corruption.</p>
<p>They were rolled over by a different arrest.</p>
<p>How much health care money flows as graft?</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unlike Krugman, you do not see the wisdom of the Magnificent One.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obamacare (which Obama wants passed, but has yet to read - just as the MA police acted stupidly, although he is not familiar with the details of what happened because he was too busy donning verbal black-face to speak to his &quot;homies&quot; at the NAACP) is, in fact, better, faster, cheaper and allows more access than the system we have now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How can this be?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, according to Obama&#039;s glorious speechifying, MILLIONS of Americans are rolling around in the gutters and dying like mangy dogs in the streets for lack of basic healthcare and millions more are forced to make heavy sacrifices of beer, pizza and 52-inch plasmas to scrape together the money to buy health insurance coverage which never covers anything because the first time you need a cast for Timmy&#039;s broken arm, the insurance company drops you like a hot potato.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He will fix all that by allowing everyone to die waiting for healthcare in or around the hospital as they wait to get referrals from their overloaded primary care physicians. So, you do get access to the hospital, it&#039;s better than dying in the gutter and it&#039;s cheaper than actually treating you.  Or at least, he thinks that&#039;s probably in the bill but will confirm when he finally gets around to reading it - hopefully around 3-6 months after it&#039;s rammed through congress and passed into law.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the solution is unappealing to you, don&#039;t worry.  If you can afford it, Cuba is just a short plane ride from Florida and I&#039;m sure Doctors Without Borders will eventually commence operations In the USSA - that is, if they don&#039;t close the borders to stop desperate, overtaxed and unemployed people fleeing this great land of ours to find jobs in Mexico.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Think it can&#039;t happen here?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Krugman, you do not see the wisdom of the Magnificent One.</p>
<p>Obamacare (which Obama wants passed, but has yet to read &#8211; just as the MA police acted stupidly, although he is not familiar with the details of what happened because he was too busy donning verbal black-face to speak to his &quot;homies&quot; at the NAACP) is, in fact, better, faster, cheaper and allows more access than the system we have now.</p>
<p>How can this be?</p>
<p>Well, according to Obama&#39;s glorious speechifying, MILLIONS of Americans are rolling around in the gutters and dying like mangy dogs in the streets for lack of basic healthcare and millions more are forced to make heavy sacrifices of beer, pizza and 52-inch plasmas to scrape together the money to buy health insurance coverage which never covers anything because the first time you need a cast for Timmy&#39;s broken arm, the insurance company drops you like a hot potato.</p>
<p>He will fix all that by allowing everyone to die waiting for healthcare in or around the hospital as they wait to get referrals from their overloaded primary care physicians. So, you do get access to the hospital, it&#39;s better than dying in the gutter and it&#39;s cheaper than actually treating you.  Or at least, he thinks that&#39;s probably in the bill but will confirm when he finally gets around to reading it &#8211; hopefully around 3-6 months after it&#39;s rammed through congress and passed into law.  </p>
<p>If the solution is unappealing to you, don&#39;t worry.  If you can afford it, Cuba is just a short plane ride from Florida and I&#39;m sure Doctors Without Borders will eventually commence operations In the USSA &#8211; that is, if they don&#39;t close the borders to stop desperate, overtaxed and unemployed people fleeing this great land of ours to find jobs in Mexico.</p>
<p>Think it can&#39;t happen here?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;... And just last month, Cato Institute scholar Michael Tanner reported that &quot;since the program became law, insurance premiums have been increasing by 10 to 12 percent per year, nearly double the national average....&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This must be referring to subsidized plans. My private MA mandated plan has had sequential premium changes of approximately minus 1% and plus 3% the last two years. In addition, my mandated plan (single)is between $2000 and $4000 cheaper per annum than my previous non-group plan with the same vendor, depending on deductible use. The savings likely come from a combination of the deductible and a pooling for individuals with small business plans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards, Don&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;&#8230; And just last month, Cato Institute scholar Michael Tanner reported that &quot;since the program became law, insurance premiums have been increasing by 10 to 12 percent per year, nearly double the national average&#8230;.&quot;</p>
<p>This must be referring to subsidized plans. My private MA mandated plan has had sequential premium changes of approximately minus 1% and plus 3% the last two years. In addition, my mandated plan (single)is between $2000 and $4000 cheaper per annum than my previous non-group plan with the same vendor, depending on deductible use. The savings likely come from a combination of the deductible and a pooling for individuals with small business plans.</p>
<p>Regards, Don</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;4 mayors, and people you would expect to be untainted by corruption were arrested yesterday for corruption.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did you miss the part where they were in New Jersey?  How can you expect anything in New Jersey to be free from corruption?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>4 mayors, and people you would expect to be untainted by corruption were arrested yesterday for corruption.</i></p>
<p>Did you miss the part where they were in New Jersey?  How can you expect anything in New Jersey to be free from corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: MWG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw the video too Sam... I wonder if the good professor was disappointed he didn&#039;t get to be in any scenes with the women...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the video too Sam&#8230; I wonder if the good professor was disappointed he didn&#39;t get to be in any scenes with the women&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kuehn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Kuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don Lloyd -&lt;br /&gt;
I had the same reaction to the cost data.  Massachusetts costs, as I understand, were growing faster than national costs before the reform - and that&#039;s not very surprising.  It&#039;s also not surprising that a program costs more than people expect it to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most important datapoint, it would seem to me, would be the difference in cost growth of private vs. public plan, and yet that&#039;s the very datapoint the Cato analysis omits.  It does make you wonder why they omitted it - but I honestly expect it is the subsidized people, and that they are growing faster than private plans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This pub goes into more detail on why they might be growing faster: http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411820_mass_health_reform.pdf, it specifically mentions the subsidized pool, and describes why that trend shouldn&#039;t continue if it is simply the subsidized pool.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But all this reinforces the underlying point - look closely at what&#039;s going on in the states and what they get right and what they get wrong before doing anything drastic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Lloyd -<br />
I had the same reaction to the cost data.  Massachusetts costs, as I understand, were growing faster than national costs before the reform &#8211; and that&#39;s not very surprising.  It&#39;s also not surprising that a program costs more than people expect it to.</p>
<p>The most important datapoint, it would seem to me, would be the difference in cost growth of private vs. public plan, and yet that&#39;s the very datapoint the Cato analysis omits.  It does make you wonder why they omitted it &#8211; but I honestly expect it is the subsidized people, and that they are growing faster than private plans.</p>
<p>This pub goes into more detail on why they might be growing faster: <a href="http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411820_mass_health_reform.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411820_mass_health_reform.pdf</a>, it specifically mentions the subsidized pool, and describes why that trend shouldn&#39;t continue if it is simply the subsidized pool.</p>
<p>But all this reinforces the underlying point &#8211; look closely at what&#39;s going on in the states and what they get right and what they get wrong before doing anything drastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kuehn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Kuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;better link: http://tinyurl.com/mz3yfa&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>better link: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mz3yfa" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mz3yfa</a></p>
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