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		<title>By: Mark Michael Lewis</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177744</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Michael Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question to the Cafe Hayek community.

Can anyone point me to an Austrian or Free Market analysis of Obamacare?

What I am not looking for:
- how government health care creates problems, or
- how free-market solutions actually work better.

but an analysis of this specific/particular piece of legislation or the propositions being thrown about as it is being written in the house/senate.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question to the Cafe Hayek community.</p>
<p>Can anyone point me to an Austrian or Free Market analysis of Obamacare?</p>
<p>What I am not looking for:<br />
- how government health care creates problems, or<br />
- how free-market solutions actually work better.</p>
<p>but an analysis of this specific/particular piece of legislation or the propositions being thrown about as it is being written in the house/senate.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177584</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the health care reform debate. I feel utterly confused after any pundit speaks.

My healthy Hayekian instinct suggests any designed &#039;system&#039; for &#039;fixing&#039; the provision of health care in this country will have unintended fiscal and clinical consequences that outweigh their benefits. Other than that, I&#039;m lost. I am guilty of switching off entirely.

But one question burns regardless.

Imagine we had entirely private health insurance market - no Medicare or Medicaid.  If I live to be sixty-five, I will probably have a personal and/or family history that indicates a strong probability of developing an expensive chronic condition. I would wager that is true of almost all sixty-five year olds.

So here is my question: which insurer in their right mind would take on my risk?

I suspect none. Once philanthropy and savings were exhausted, I would surely risk a painful life and preventable death.

Do I want this? Does anyone? Isn&#039;t &quot;socialized&quot; medicine for older people an unpleasant moral necessity for our wealthy society? Please note I am deeply suspicious of most arguments cast in moral terms in discussions of politics and economics. I ask these questions guardedly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the health care reform debate. I feel utterly confused after any pundit speaks.</p>
<p>My healthy Hayekian instinct suggests any designed &#8216;system&#8217; for &#8216;fixing&#8217; the provision of health care in this country will have unintended fiscal and clinical consequences that outweigh their benefits. Other than that, I&#8217;m lost. I am guilty of switching off entirely.</p>
<p>But one question burns regardless.</p>
<p>Imagine we had entirely private health insurance market &#8211; no Medicare or Medicaid.  If I live to be sixty-five, I will probably have a personal and/or family history that indicates a strong probability of developing an expensive chronic condition. I would wager that is true of almost all sixty-five year olds.</p>
<p>So here is my question: which insurer in their right mind would take on my risk?</p>
<p>I suspect none. Once philanthropy and savings were exhausted, I would surely risk a painful life and preventable death.</p>
<p>Do I want this? Does anyone? Isn&#8217;t &#8220;socialized&#8221; medicine for older people an unpleasant moral necessity for our wealthy society? Please note I am deeply suspicious of most arguments cast in moral terms in discussions of politics and economics. I ask these questions guardedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177531</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dg,

I don&#039;t know how to follow that link.  I was just giving you my email address so that you can email me from your own email if you wanted.  I look forward to your email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dg,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to follow that link.  I was just giving you my email address so that you can email me from your own email if you wanted.  I look forward to your email.</p>
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		<title>By: sandre</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177523</link>
		<dc:creator>sandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t try to follow the email link. Just type it into the &#039;To:&#039; part of your email client. Or publish your email address, so Methinks can contact you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t try to follow the email link. Just type it into the &#8216;To:&#8217; part of your email client. Or publish your email address, so Methinks can contact you.</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177519</link>
		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks,

Tried to follow your e mail link, but I&#039;m too old I&#039;m afraid and tech unsavvy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks,</p>
<p>Tried to follow your e mail link, but I&#8217;m too old I&#8217;m afraid and tech unsavvy.</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177517</link>
		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks,

I&#039;m trying to correct that problem of readability with the book.

I will be following up with you by e mail.

And, hey, half a Jew is better than none at all, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to correct that problem of readability with the book.</p>
<p>I will be following up with you by e mail.</p>
<p>And, hey, half a Jew is better than none at all, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177470</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dg lesvic,

From one Russian (half) Jew to another, I like the book nobody likes.  It&#039;s hard to read though.  Some of the words are cut off by the left margin even when the page is full extended across the screen.  I have a private question for you.  If you wish, contact me at methinks76@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dg lesvic,</p>
<p>From one Russian (half) Jew to another, I like the book nobody likes.  It&#8217;s hard to read though.  Some of the words are cut off by the left margin even when the page is full extended across the screen.  I have a private question for you.  If you wish, contact me at <a href="mailto:methinks76@gmail.com">methinks76@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177432</link>
		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah Golberg is one of the greatest political commentators of all time, not an economist, unfortunately, but still great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah Golberg is one of the greatest political commentators of all time, not an economist, unfortunately, but still great.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177428</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama studied Hillary&#039;s mistakes at length.  Her proposal was specific and she presented those specifics to the public, which promptly rejected the proposal and voted in a bunch of republicans.

He decided that he needed to use his popularity to ram it down the public&#039;s throat before the population knew what hit it.  He&#039;s not entirely wrong - a popular president can get almost anything he wants.  Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for Americans), he blew a lot of political capital early on by ballooning the deficit with his porkulus bill and crap and trade.  This bill is so awful that it dragged Obama&#039;s popularity down even further and the vulnerable members of his party are a lot less willing to stick their necks out for a president falling in popularity.

The double standard of the press is astounding.  There is nobody&#039;s grandma they&#039;re unwilling to sell down the river to hand a political victory to their messiah.  No matter the cost.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama studied Hillary&#8217;s mistakes at length.  Her proposal was specific and she presented those specifics to the public, which promptly rejected the proposal and voted in a bunch of republicans.</p>
<p>He decided that he needed to use his popularity to ram it down the public&#8217;s throat before the population knew what hit it.  He&#8217;s not entirely wrong &#8211; a popular president can get almost anything he wants.  Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for Americans), he blew a lot of political capital early on by ballooning the deficit with his porkulus bill and crap and trade.  This bill is so awful that it dragged Obama&#8217;s popularity down even further and the vulnerable members of his party are a lot less willing to stick their necks out for a president falling in popularity.</p>
<p>The double standard of the press is astounding.  There is nobody&#8217;s grandma they&#8217;re unwilling to sell down the river to hand a political victory to their messiah.  No matter the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/goldberg-on-obamacare-and-bogeymen.html/comment-page-1#comment-177426</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were hoping to get it through before many found out what was going down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were hoping to get it through before many found out what was going down.</p>
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		<title>By: sandre</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why???
Isn&#039;t that what they always do?
What&#039;s the point of reading the bill, asks a supporter of the bill in congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACbwND52rrw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why???<br />
Isn&#8217;t that what they always do?<br />
What&#8217;s the point of reading the bill, asks a supporter of the bill in congress.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACbwND52rrw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACbwND52rrw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In as little as six months, Washington has gone from Brother Love&#039;s Travelin&#039; Salvation Show to Hotel California. Why are they trying to rush through legislation that no one knows what it says or means to individiuals like you and me?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In as little as six months, Washington has gone from Brother Love&#8217;s Travelin&#8217; Salvation Show to Hotel California. Why are they trying to rush through legislation that no one knows what it says or means to individiuals like you and me?</p>
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