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	<title>Comments on: Justified Concerns</title>
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		<title>By: MWG</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/justified-concerns.html/comment-page-1#comment-176980</link>
		<dc:creator>MWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These doomsday, fear mongering arguments...&quot;

Kinda like when Obama pushed the stimulus through saying it needed to be passed immediatly.

...or may a better example would be how he was pushing health care (or is he calling it &quot;insurance reform&quot; now?) reform saying it HAD TO be passed by august.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These doomsday, fear mongering arguments&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Kinda like when Obama pushed the stimulus through saying it needed to be passed immediatly.</p>
<p>&#8230;or may a better example would be how he was pushing health care (or is he calling it &#8220;insurance reform&#8221; now?) reform saying it HAD TO be passed by august.</p>
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		<title>By: sandre</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the letter...&lt;i&gt;along with paid agents of a mysterious cabal of sinister billionaires &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Who belong to these anti-state cabal of billionaires! All the famous billionaires I know off heart the state - where as I have a hard time coming up with a list of 5 billionaires who are vehemently anti-state. I am sure they exist - but where are they? Do you think this is a coincidence. Now Daniel would ask, &quot;This image of the sinister cabal of anti-state billionaires, an illusion?&quot;. Like most you know already, we give too much credit to the Kuehns</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the letter&#8230;<i>along with paid agents of a mysterious cabal of sinister billionaires &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Who belong to these anti-state cabal of billionaires! All the famous billionaires I know off heart the state &#8211; where as I have a hard time coming up with a list of 5 billionaires who are vehemently anti-state. I am sure they exist &#8211; but where are they? Do you think this is a coincidence. Now Daniel would ask, &#8220;This image of the sinister cabal of anti-state billionaires, an illusion?&#8221;. Like most you know already, we give too much credit to the Kuehns</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion has moved as much into right and wrong, law, and government power so here are some thoughts on those subjects.

Reality:

In matters of jurisdiction, allegiance, loyalty, obedience, beliefs, and obligation, if one begins with and believes the premise that there is an authority that, upon your birth to the territory in which the authority holds sway, has an automatic claim on you by virtue of that birth, then government is the answer for you and you there is no question in your mind at the rightness of it.

However.

If one begins with the exact opposite premise and believes that there is no authority that has an automatic claim on you by virtue of your birth, then in matters of jurisdiction, allegiance, loyalty, obedience, beliefs, and obligation you, as a natural free man, have those things to withhold or give as you decide, and there is no question in your mind at the rightness of your belief.

I, of course, belong to this latter group that has the audacity to believe that I am free and no one can claim me without my permission.

We are born a gift of God or Nature, to natural human parents, and those two people are the only humans on Earth to whom we have a natural connection to. Government had absolutely zero contribution to that birth. We are alien to government and government is alien to us. How then can it claim jurisdiction over us, our loyalty, our allegiance, obedience, assign an obligation to us, or claim any percentage of the fruits of our labor, sans our specific knowing, willing, intentional, and voluntary agreement or contract? Where does that binding power come from? What is it?

As this binding power is never specifically taught to any human being, it is the basis of the old statement that we are responsible for knowing the law. It is our, each of us individually, personal obligation to ourselves and to our community to educate ourselves sufficiently. That each of us does not know where there binding power comes from is our own individual fault.

Therefore we have no right to complain in any court of law that we are being abused,  mistreated, or treated as a slave with obligations assigned not contracted. This is the exact attitude courts take towards us.

Is there a remedy? Yes, there is. There is always a remedy, though it may take you a long time to find it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion has moved as much into right and wrong, law, and government power so here are some thoughts on those subjects.</p>
<p>Reality:</p>
<p>In matters of jurisdiction, allegiance, loyalty, obedience, beliefs, and obligation, if one begins with and believes the premise that there is an authority that, upon your birth to the territory in which the authority holds sway, has an automatic claim on you by virtue of that birth, then government is the answer for you and you there is no question in your mind at the rightness of it.</p>
<p>However.</p>
<p>If one begins with the exact opposite premise and believes that there is no authority that has an automatic claim on you by virtue of your birth, then in matters of jurisdiction, allegiance, loyalty, obedience, beliefs, and obligation you, as a natural free man, have those things to withhold or give as you decide, and there is no question in your mind at the rightness of your belief.</p>
<p>I, of course, belong to this latter group that has the audacity to believe that I am free and no one can claim me without my permission.</p>
<p>We are born a gift of God or Nature, to natural human parents, and those two people are the only humans on Earth to whom we have a natural connection to. Government had absolutely zero contribution to that birth. We are alien to government and government is alien to us. How then can it claim jurisdiction over us, our loyalty, our allegiance, obedience, assign an obligation to us, or claim any percentage of the fruits of our labor, sans our specific knowing, willing, intentional, and voluntary agreement or contract? Where does that binding power come from? What is it?</p>
<p>As this binding power is never specifically taught to any human being, it is the basis of the old statement that we are responsible for knowing the law. It is our, each of us individually, personal obligation to ourselves and to our community to educate ourselves sufficiently. That each of us does not know where there binding power comes from is our own individual fault.</p>
<p>Therefore we have no right to complain in any court of law that we are being abused,  mistreated, or treated as a slave with obligations assigned not contracted. This is the exact attitude courts take towards us.</p>
<p>Is there a remedy? Yes, there is. There is always a remedy, though it may take you a long time to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, you&#039;re talking to 10 dollar man. I can put decanted red wine in front of you that costs 10 bucks or less, and you&#039;d swear I had spent 5 to 6 times as much.

If you like red wine, find a bottle of Folie Au Duex, Menage a Troi red. Pop the cork and let it breath for maybe ten seconds and pour. 

If you&#039;re a true wine drinker, you&#039;ll know how true I just was as well as how funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, you&#8217;re talking to 10 dollar man. I can put decanted red wine in front of you that costs 10 bucks or less, and you&#8217;d swear I had spent 5 to 6 times as much.</p>
<p>If you like red wine, find a bottle of Folie Au Duex, Menage a Troi red. Pop the cork and let it breath for maybe ten seconds and pour. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a true wine drinker, you&#8217;ll know how true I just was as well as how funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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