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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175734</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.

I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.

HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.</p>
<p>I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.</p>
<p>HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc...

The Bob Guccione-produced movie, &lt;I&gt;Caligula&lt;/I&gt; could easily be about Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The Bob Guccione-produced movie, <i>Caligula</i> could easily be about Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175706</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering to what extent that can really be considered a subsidy.

When the police put more boots on the streets to cover a protest like, for example, the G20 economic summit protests, are the protesters being subsidized?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering to what extent that can really be considered a subsidy.</p>
<p>When the police put more boots on the streets to cover a protest like, for example, the G20 economic summit protests, are the protesters being subsidized?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175702</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, at least, you are onto something- the ending or curtailment of these other wasteful subsidies rather than their expansion....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, at least, you are onto something- the ending or curtailment of these other wasteful subsidies rather than their expansion&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175701</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least the &quot;subsidization&quot; of MJ&#039;s funeral was in the realm of public safety; I assume MJ contributed far, far, far, far, far more than that to the public purse during his tenure in CA.

The subsidy for the Circus is in the realm of &quot;PLEASE COME HERE AND HERE&#039;S MONEY WE DON&#039;T HAVE!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least the &#8220;subsidization&#8221; of MJ&#8217;s funeral was in the realm of public safety; I assume MJ contributed far, far, far, far, far more than that to the public purse during his tenure in CA.</p>
<p>The subsidy for the Circus is in the realm of &#8220;PLEASE COME HERE AND HERE&#8217;S MONEY WE DON&#8217;T HAVE!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please.  Mercy.  No more e-mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  Mercy.  No more e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175698</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the choice to not use disqus(?) should be at the top, not the bottom.  At the very least, make it easy to click, if not the default condition.

Oh, I see now.  Do not subscribe seems to stay default once chosen.  A cookie then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the choice to not use disqus(?) should be at the top, not the bottom.  At the very least, make it easy to click, if not the default condition.</p>
<p>Oh, I see now.  Do not subscribe seems to stay default once chosen.  A cookie then.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got my first email of that type.  There&#039;s a link to confirm that I want it.  So how do I say that I don&#039;t want it - ever?  Does choosing &quot;Do not subscribe&quot; do it?  If so, that should be the default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got my first email of that type.  There&#8217;s a link to confirm that I want it.  So how do I say that I don&#8217;t want it &#8211; ever?  Does choosing &#8220;Do not subscribe&#8221; do it?  If so, that should be the default.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Goodwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Jackson&#039;s funeral was subsidized. The city paid over a million for security (police overtime) and several hundred grand in other expenses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Jackson&#8217;s funeral was subsidized. The city paid over a million for security (police overtime) and several hundred grand in other expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cities and states already subsidize other entertainment - MLB, NFL, NHL, dozens of booze malls that have popped up around the country around such venues - why not CdS? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cities and states already subsidize other entertainment &#8211; MLB, NFL, NHL, dozens of booze malls that have popped up around the country around such venues &#8211; why not CdS?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175694</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once they subsidize housing there, it will become one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once they subsidize housing there, it will become one.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when I posted my comment I didn&#039;t have you in mind though you seem to have taken it personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when I posted my comment I didn&#8217;t have you in mind though you seem to have taken it personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>around $1 million.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>around $1 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Michael Jackson&#039;s funeral may not have been &quot;subsidized,&quot; I wonder what the cost to the LA taxpayers was for all the extra police hours, etc. to manage the event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Michael Jackson&#8217;s funeral may not have been &#8220;subsidized,&#8221; I wonder what the cost to the LA taxpayers was for all the extra police hours, etc. to manage the event?</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried to activate your device for shutting off e-mail notification of new comments, to no avail.  Having my mail box flooded with the musings of Martin Brock was bad enough, but now Daniel Keuhn, too?

Enough!  Cease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to activate your device for shutting off e-mail notification of new comments, to no avail.  Having my mail box flooded with the musings of Martin Brock was bad enough, but now Daniel Keuhn, too?</p>
<p>Enough!  Cease!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A $30 million loan for 900 jobs?  Seems fishy.  Furthermore, I am very skeptical that the jobs will be new--I don&#039;t know how they are calculating those figures, but bringing a circus seems more of a relocating of activity rather than new economic activity.  

Section 108 is also supposed to be for &quot;revitalizing&quot; neighborhoods--

&quot;The Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program is a source of financing alotted (sic) for the economic development, housing rehabilitation, public facilities rehab, construction or installation for the benefit of low- to moderate-income persons, or to aid in the prevention of slums.&quot;

Is Hollywood a slum?  Or made up of low income folk?  I have been there once, and don&#039;t remember it as such.  Anybody know details of where this complex is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A $30 million loan for 900 jobs?  Seems fishy.  Furthermore, I am very skeptical that the jobs will be new&#8211;I don&#8217;t know how they are calculating those figures, but bringing a circus seems more of a relocating of activity rather than new economic activity.  </p>
<p>Section 108 is also supposed to be for &#8220;revitalizing&#8221; neighborhoods&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program is a source of financing alotted (sic) for the economic development, housing rehabilitation, public facilities rehab, construction or installation for the benefit of low- to moderate-income persons, or to aid in the prevention of slums.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Hollywood a slum?  Or made up of low income folk?  I have been there once, and don&#8217;t remember it as such.  Anybody know details of where this complex is?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bread and circuses. So who will play the part of Nero, Caligula?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bread and circuses. So who will play the part of Nero, Caligula?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap. We&#039;re doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap. We&#8217;re doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Pigott</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-175681</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike Pigott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don is discovering that unlike Typepad, Wordpress allows his inner Cajun to emerge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don is discovering that unlike Typepad, WordPress allows his inner Cajun to emerge.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s thorny? 

Well it is my own personal opinion that people like MJ, Spears, Madonna, a high percentage of the rap artists, many so-called comedians of the modern ilk, etc. all use the appeal of moral degeneration, to the young and ignorant, to maximize their profit from their so-called entertainment; and they do so with utter disregard to the long term consequences of those influences.

Free speech and freedom of the press gives us the beauty of the rose in countless moral and profitable uplifting writings and speeches, and at the same time brings the thorns of such as the moral degenerates mentioned above.

I don&#039;t buy or listen to their recordings either but that isn&#039;t the real issue with me. My attention is on my fanatical devotion to freedom and free markets. 

Finally my point in responding, to the implication in your first paragraph, in the first place was to ponder on just how many of us here would actively seek to censor Mj or Spears, and prevent them from selling in the market? I don&#039;t see much of that kind of thing talked about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s thorny? </p>
<p>Well it is my own personal opinion that people like MJ, Spears, Madonna, a high percentage of the rap artists, many so-called comedians of the modern ilk, etc. all use the appeal of moral degeneration, to the young and ignorant, to maximize their profit from their so-called entertainment; and they do so with utter disregard to the long term consequences of those influences.</p>
<p>Free speech and freedom of the press gives us the beauty of the rose in countless moral and profitable uplifting writings and speeches, and at the same time brings the thorns of such as the moral degenerates mentioned above.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy or listen to their recordings either but that isn&#8217;t the real issue with me. My attention is on my fanatical devotion to freedom and free markets. </p>
<p>Finally my point in responding, to the implication in your first paragraph, in the first place was to ponder on just how many of us here would actively seek to censor Mj or Spears, and prevent them from selling in the market? I don&#8217;t see much of that kind of thing talked about here.</p>
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