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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-62481</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.</p>
<p>I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.</p>
<p>HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</p>
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		<title>By: brotio</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-62482</link>
		<dc:creator>brotio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Bob Guccione-produced movie, &lt;I&gt;Caligula&lt;/I&gt; could easily be about Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The Bob Guccione-produced movie, <i>Caligula</i> could easily be about Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: vidyohs</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54694</link>
		<dc:creator>vidyohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same feeling here that I had in Iceland when I went to visit and explore the ice caves in the lava flows. I stood there at the entrance to a vast dark empty hole that extended as far as I could see with what light filtered into a short distance.</p>
<p>I feel this attempt at discussion with you is very similar.</p>
<p>HTF could you come to the conclusion or charge me with taking it personally, are you really Daniel Kuehn in disguise?</p>
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		<title>By: brotio</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54676</link>
		<dc:creator>brotio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Bob Guccione-produced movie, &lt;I&gt;Caligula&lt;/I&gt; could easily be about Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nero has to be Obama. The Broadway date, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The Bob Guccione-produced movie, <i>Caligula</i> could easily be about Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54664</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering to what extent that can really be considered a subsidy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When the police put more boots on the streets to cover a protest like, for example, the G20 economic summit protests, are the protesters being subsidized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m wondering to what extent that can really be considered a subsidy.</p>
<p>When the police put more boots on the streets to cover a protest like, for example, the G20 economic summit protests, are the protesters being subsidized?</p>
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		<title>By: JeffreyEdelman</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54659</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffreyEdelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, at least, you are onto something- the ending or curtailment of these other wasteful subsidies rather than their expansion....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, at least, you are onto something- the ending or curtailment of these other wasteful subsidies rather than their expansion&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffreyEdelman</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54658</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffreyEdelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least the &quot;subsidization&quot; of MJ&#039;s funeral was in the realm of public safety; I assume MJ contributed far, far, far, far, far more than that to the public purse during his tenure in CA.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The subsidy for the Circus is in the realm of &quot;PLEASE COME HERE AND HERE&#039;S MONEY WE DON&#039;T HAVE!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least the &#8220;subsidization&#8221; of MJ&#39;s funeral was in the realm of public safety; I assume MJ contributed far, far, far, far, far more than that to the public purse during his tenure in CA.</p>
<p>The subsidy for the Circus is in the realm of &#8220;PLEASE COME HERE AND HERE&#39;S MONEY WE DON&#39;T HAVE!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please.  Mercy.  No more e-mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  Mercy.  No more e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the choice to not use disqus(?) should be at the top, not the bottom.  At the very least, make it easy to click, if not the default condition.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, I see now.  Do not subscribe seems to stay default once chosen.  A cookie then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the choice to not use disqus(?) should be at the top, not the bottom.  At the very least, make it easy to click, if not the default condition.</p>
<p>Oh, I see now.  Do not subscribe seems to stay default once chosen.  A cookie then.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got my first email of that type.  There&#039;s a link to confirm that I want it.  So how do I say that I don&#039;t want it - ever?  Does choosing &quot;Do not subscribe&quot; do it?  If so, that should be the default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got my first email of that type.  There&#39;s a link to confirm that I want it.  So how do I say that I don&#39;t want it &#8211; ever?  Does choosing &#8220;Do not subscribe&#8221; do it?  If so, that should be the default.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Goodwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Jackson&#039;s funeral was subsidized. The city paid over a million for security (police overtime) and several hundred grand in other expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Jackson&#39;s funeral was subsidized. The city paid over a million for security (police overtime) and several hundred grand in other expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cities and states already subsidize other entertainment - MLB, NFL, NHL, dozens of booze malls that have popped up around the country around such venues - why not CdS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cities and states already subsidize other entertainment &#8211; MLB, NFL, NHL, dozens of booze malls that have popped up around the country around such venues &#8211; why not CdS?</p>
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		<title>By: brian125</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54651</link>
		<dc:creator>brian125</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once they subsidize housing there, it will become one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once they subsidize housing there, it will become one.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when I posted my comment I didn&#039;t have you in mind though you seem to have taken it personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when I posted my comment I didn&#39;t have you in mind though you seem to have taken it personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54649</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>around $1 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>around $1 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Michael Jackson&#039;s funeral may not have been &quot;subsidized,&quot; I wonder what the cost to the LA taxpayers was for all the extra police hours, etc. to manage the event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Michael Jackson&#39;s funeral may not have been &#8220;subsidized,&#8221; I wonder what the cost to the LA taxpayers was for all the extra police hours, etc. to manage the event?</p>
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		<title>By: dg lesvic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried to activate your device for shutting off e-mail notification of new comments, to no avail.  Having my mail box flooded with the musings of Martin Brock was bad enough, but now Daniel Keuhn, too?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enough!  Cease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to activate your device for shutting off e-mail notification of new comments, to no avail.  Having my mail box flooded with the musings of Martin Brock was bad enough, but now Daniel Keuhn, too?</p>
<p>Enough!  Cease!</p>
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		<title>By: damian03</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54645</link>
		<dc:creator>damian03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A $30 million loan for 900 jobs?  Seems fishy.  Furthermore, I am very skeptical that the jobs will be new--I don&#039;t know how they are calculating those figures, but bringing a circus seems more of a relocating of activity rather than new economic activity.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Section 108 is also supposed to be for &quot;revitalizing&quot; neighborhoods--&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program is a source of financing alotted (sic) for the economic development, housing rehabilitation, public facilities rehab, construction or installation for the benefit of low- to moderate-income persons, or to aid in the prevention of slums.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is Hollywood a slum?  Or made up of low income folk?  I have been there once, and don&#039;t remember it as such.  Anybody know details of where this complex is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A $30 million loan for 900 jobs?  Seems fishy.  Furthermore, I am very skeptical that the jobs will be new&#8211;I don&#39;t know how they are calculating those figures, but bringing a circus seems more of a relocating of activity rather than new economic activity.  </p>
<p>Section 108 is also supposed to be for &#8220;revitalizing&#8221; neighborhoods&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program is a source of financing alotted (sic) for the economic development, housing rehabilitation, public facilities rehab, construction or installation for the benefit of low- to moderate-income persons, or to aid in the prevention of slums.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Hollywood a slum?  Or made up of low income folk?  I have been there once, and don&#39;t remember it as such.  Anybody know details of where this complex is?</p>
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		<title>By: ArrowSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArrowSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bread and circuses. So who will play the part of Nero, Caligula?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bread and circuses. So who will play the part of Nero, Caligula?</p>
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		<title>By: mikeikon</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/panem-ed-circenses.html/comment-page-1#comment-54640</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeikon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap. We&#039;re doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap. We&#39;re doomed.</p>
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