Comments on: Wholly Hypocritical http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html where orders emerge Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:04:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Tweets that mention Wholly Hypocritical -- Topsy.com http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-59260 Tweets that mention Wholly Hypocritical -- Topsy.com Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:56:34 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-59260 [...] this page was mentioned by Ari Armstrong (@ariarmstrong), Tony Cookson (@thisyoungecon), Mercatus Bloggers (@mercatusblogs) and others. [...] [...] this page was mentioned by Ari Armstrong (@ariarmstrong), Tony Cookson (@thisyoungecon), Mercatus Bloggers (@mercatusblogs) and others. [...]

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]]> By: Nathan http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62375 Nathan Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:48:20 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62375 Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that "if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese".<br><br>Actually, when it comes to people who had the misfortune to be born outside of certain arbitrarily defined geographical boundaries, that seems to be the opinion of virtually everyone, even the most bleeding heart liberals. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that “if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese”.

Actually, when it comes to people who had the misfortune to be born outside of certain arbitrarily defined geographical boundaries, that seems to be the opinion of virtually everyone, even the most bleeding heart liberals.

]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62372 danielkuehn Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:43:36 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62372 Haha - no.<br><br>Public education guarantees an outcome as much as the universal provision of any other good or service is a guarantee of equality of outcome. Education is as much a service as health care.<br><br>Granted, it is also an opportunity.<br><br>I've talked about the tangled nature of equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes here: <a href="http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com/2009/03/entangled-nature-of-equality.html" rel="nofollow">http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com...</a><br><br>Any attempt to pretend that you can treat them separately is an exercise in futility. Haha – no.

Public education guarantees an outcome as much as the universal provision of any other good or service is a guarantee of equality of outcome. Education is as much a service as health care.

Granted, it is also an opportunity.

I've talked about the tangled nature of equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes here: http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com...

Any attempt to pretend that you can treat them separately is an exercise in futility.

]]> By: vidyohs http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62371 vidyohs Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:37:08 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62371 I see, then I am to assume that guaranteeing public provision of primary education is going to guarantee outcomes and results, is that it, DK?<br><br>You live in a fantasy world if you think that. I see, then I am to assume that guaranteeing public provision of primary education is going to guarantee outcomes and results, is that it, DK?

You live in a fantasy world if you think that.

]]> By: Gil http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62374 Gil Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:21:25 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62374 The big problem between the comparison between medical treatment versus food or large screen TVs is that basic foodstuffs are cheap and people don't need large screen TVs at all. Anyone regardless of ability can get hit with a life-threatening situation out of the blue where they require expensive treatment to continue living (and that may be iffy) versus certain death. By trying to say "medical treatment wasn't expensive in the good old days" is cheap because there's a helluva lot more medical equipment and treatment available to doctors today. Medical treatment was relatively cheap a century ago because doctors didn't have much at their disposal. If you got cancer a century ago a doctor would try to cut the cancer out but would be about all he could do. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that "if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese". The big problem between the comparison between medical treatment versus food or large screen TVs is that basic foodstuffs are cheap and people don't need large screen TVs at all. Anyone regardless of ability can get hit with a life-threatening situation out of the blue where they require expensive treatment to continue living (and that may be iffy) versus certain death. By trying to say “medical treatment wasn't expensive in the good old days” is cheap because there's a helluva lot more medical equipment and treatment available to doctors today. Medical treatment was relatively cheap a century ago because doctors didn't have much at their disposal. If you got cancer a century ago a doctor would try to cut the cancer out but would be about all he could do. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that “if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese”.

]]> By: Gil http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62373 Gil Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:11:31 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62373 What do you what Thomas Jefferson thoght, vidyohs? He's long dead and gone. What's going on in modern America should be worked out by modern Americans not dead ones. What do you what Thomas Jefferson thoght, vidyohs? He's long dead and gone. What's going on in modern America should be worked out by modern Americans not dead ones.

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]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62370 danielkuehn Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:01:42 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62370 It's about the public provision of primary education.<br><br>Jefferson was such a shill to the weak and dependent, wasn't he? It's about the public provision of primary education.

Jefferson was such a shill to the weak and dependent, wasn't he?

]]> By: vidyohs http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-62369 vidyohs Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:53:36 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-62369 I might look it up, but give me a clue. Does it talk about handicapping and interfering with the strong, intelligent, ambitious, hard working, and independent in order to bring them down to the level of the weak, dull, lazy, slacking, and dependent in order to achieve equality?<br><br>Because we have historical proof that it is impossible to bring the unwilling up to any measurable and consistent degree.<br><br>It must or you wouldn't have mentioned it, eh? I might look it up, but give me a clue. Does it talk about handicapping and interfering with the strong, intelligent, ambitious, hard working, and independent in order to bring them down to the level of the weak, dull, lazy, slacking, and dependent in order to achieve equality?

Because we have historical proof that it is impossible to bring the unwilling up to any measurable and consistent degree.

It must or you wouldn't have mentioned it, eh?

]]> By: Nathan http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56710 Nathan Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:48:20 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56710 Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that "if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese".<br><br>Actually, when it comes to people who had the misfortune to be born outside of certain arbitrarily defined geographical boundaries, that seems to be the opinion of virtually everyone, even the most bleeding heart liberals. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that “if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese”.

Actually, when it comes to people who had the misfortune to be born outside of certain arbitrarily defined geographical boundaries, that seems to be the opinion of virtually everyone, even the most bleeding heart liberals.

]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56701 danielkuehn Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:43:36 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56701 Haha - no.<br><br>Public education guarantees an outcome as much as the universal provision of any other good or service is a guarantee of equality of outcome. Education is as much a service as health care.<br><br>Granted, it is also an opportunity.<br><br>I've talked about the tangled nature of equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes here: <a href="http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com/2009/03/entangled-nature-of-equality.html" rel="nofollow">http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com...</a><br><br>Any attempt to pretend that you can treat them separately is an exercise in futility. Haha – no.

Public education guarantees an outcome as much as the universal provision of any other good or service is a guarantee of equality of outcome. Education is as much a service as health care.

Granted, it is also an opportunity.

I've talked about the tangled nature of equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes here: http://factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.com...

Any attempt to pretend that you can treat them separately is an exercise in futility.

]]> By: vidyohs http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56700 vidyohs Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:37:08 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56700 I see, then I am to assume that guaranteeing public provision of primary education is going to guarantee outcomes and results, is that it, DK?<br><br>You live in a fantasy world if you think that. I see, then I am to assume that guaranteeing public provision of primary education is going to guarantee outcomes and results, is that it, DK?

You live in a fantasy world if you think that.

]]> By: Gil http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56698 Gil Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:21:25 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56698 The big problem between the comparison between medical treatment versus food or large screen TVs is that basic foodstuffs are cheap and people don't need large screen TVs at all. Anyone regardless of ability can get hit with a life-threatening situation out of the blue where they require expensive treatment to continue living (and that may be iffy) versus certain death. By trying to say "medical treatment wasn't expensive in the good old days" is cheap because there's a helluva lot more medical equipment and treatment available to doctors today. Medical treatment was relatively cheap a century ago because doctors didn't have much at their disposal. If you got cancer a century ago a doctor would try to cut the cancer out but would be about all he could do. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that "if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese". The big problem between the comparison between medical treatment versus food or large screen TVs is that basic foodstuffs are cheap and people don't need large screen TVs at all. Anyone regardless of ability can get hit with a life-threatening situation out of the blue where they require expensive treatment to continue living (and that may be iffy) versus certain death. By trying to say “medical treatment wasn't expensive in the good old days” is cheap because there's a helluva lot more medical equipment and treatment available to doctors today. Medical treatment was relatively cheap a century ago because doctors didn't have much at their disposal. If you got cancer a century ago a doctor would try to cut the cancer out but would be about all he could do. Vidyohs is about the only one who has had the guts to that “if someone can't afford medical treatment or can't get someone to sponsor them and they face certain death from an otherwise treatable condition/illness then tough cheese”.

]]> By: Gil http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56695 Gil Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:11:31 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56695 What do you what Thomas Jefferson thoght, vidyohs? He's long dead and gone. What's going on in modern America should be worked out by modern Americans not dead ones. What do you what Thomas Jefferson thoght, vidyohs? He's long dead and gone. What's going on in modern America should be worked out by modern Americans not dead ones.

]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56694 danielkuehn Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:01:42 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56694 It's about the public provision of primary education.<br><br>Jefferson was such a shill to the weak and dependent, wasn't he? It's about the public provision of primary education.

Jefferson was such a shill to the weak and dependent, wasn't he?

]]> By: vidyohs http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56693 vidyohs Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:53:36 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56693 I might look it up, but give me a clue. Does it talk about handicapping and interfering with the strong, intelligent, ambitious, hard working, and independent in order to bring them down to the level of the weak, dull, lazy, slacking, and dependent in order to achieve equality?<br><br>Because we have historical proof that it is impossible to bring the unwilling up to any measurable and consistent degree.<br><br>It must or you wouldn't have mentioned it, eh? I might look it up, but give me a clue. Does it talk about handicapping and interfering with the strong, intelligent, ambitious, hard working, and independent in order to bring them down to the level of the weak, dull, lazy, slacking, and dependent in order to achieve equality?

Because we have historical proof that it is impossible to bring the unwilling up to any measurable and consistent degree.

It must or you wouldn't have mentioned it, eh?

]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56692 danielkuehn Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:19:24 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56692 I'm not sure Chomsky is as easily classifiable as his "idea of equality is equality of outcomes". Can you put any more meat on that claim?<br><br>As for Jefferson, I was telling samgrove about something I got a chance to read this weekend - Jefferson's "Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge". You might try that.<br><br>One last point - Chomsky is talking about "tyranny" much more broadly than you are. I don't agree with him on this point either, but by the same token I don't think your critique is entirely fair.<br><br>It was just meant to be a thought provoker. Chomsky has massive blindspots but he's always good to listen to. I'm not sure Chomsky is as easily classifiable as his “idea of equality is equality of outcomes”. Can you put any more meat on that claim?

As for Jefferson, I was telling samgrove about something I got a chance to read this weekend – Jefferson's “Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge”. You might try that.

One last point – Chomsky is talking about “tyranny” much more broadly than you are. I don't agree with him on this point either, but by the same token I don't think your critique is entirely fair.

It was just meant to be a thought provoker. Chomsky has massive blindspots but he's always good to listen to.

]]> By: Twitted by MercatusBlogs http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56669 Twitted by MercatusBlogs Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:15:47 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56669 [...] This post was Twitted by MercatusBlogs [...] [...] This post was Twitted by MercatusBlogs [...]

]]> By: CRC http://cafehayek.com/2009/08/wholly-hypocritical.html/comment-page-1#comment-56690 CRC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:14:16 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=5855#comment-56690 Libertarianism is based on hate and selfishness? Am I reading that wrong? Libertarianism is based on hate and selfishness? Am I reading that wrong?

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