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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-183079</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to refrain from ranting about you being stupid - as you did to me in the most recent post - and just post the relevant things the three of them said.  First, me:

DK: &quot;The only thing I did was point out that the word &quot;distribution&quot; in that phrase was a verb.&quot; [the noun being a distribution of datapoints, if you read earlier]

Brent: &quot;If there&#039;s no need for scare quotation marks for &quot;probability distribution&quot;, I see no need for scare quotation marks for &quot;income-distribution&quot;

richard66: &quot;I think the term &#039;Distribution&#039; is used for its mathematical meaning. Distribution as in frequency or probability density functions etc.&quot;

vikingvista: &quot;No scare quotes necessary. Any property of a population has a distribution. It refers to an observation, not action.&quot;

Just get over it, vidyohs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to refrain from ranting about you being stupid &#8211; as you did to me in the most recent post &#8211; and just post the relevant things the three of them said.  First, me:</p>
<p>DK: &#8220;The only thing I did was point out that the word &#8220;distribution&#8221; in that phrase was a verb.&#8221; [the noun being a distribution of datapoints, if you read earlier]</p>
<p>Brent: &#8220;If there&#8217;s no need for scare quotation marks for &#8220;probability distribution&#8221;, I see no need for scare quotation marks for &#8220;income-distribution&#8221;</p>
<p>richard66: &#8220;I think the term &#8216;Distribution&#8217; is used for its mathematical meaning. Distribution as in frequency or probability density functions etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>vikingvista: &#8220;No scare quotes necessary. Any property of a population has a distribution. It refers to an observation, not action.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just get over it, vidyohs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-183056</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of whom agreed with you. All of whom agreed with Don.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of whom agreed with you. All of whom agreed with Don.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-183002</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes - in your particular google search.  I&#039;m not talking about your google search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes &#8211; in your particular google search.  I&#8217;m not talking about your google search.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182992</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Of course it&#039;s used in a non-mathematical sense. But if the context is the distribution of income over time, you&#039;re talking about the distribution of datapoints.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I get it.

The fair and equitable distribution of data points -- over time.

Certainly I&#039;m the one who is thinking in a fog. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Of course it&#8217;s used in a non-mathematical sense. But if the context is the distribution of income over time, you&#8217;re talking about the distribution of datapoints.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I get it.</p>
<p>The fair and equitable distribution of data points &#8212; over time.</p>
<p>Certainly I&#8217;m the one who is thinking in a fog.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182971</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Diana Furchtgott-Roth&quot;

Hyphenated surnames are already becoming passe&#039; with the increasing acceptance of triple hyphenated surnames, such as Teresa Jones-Hampton-Crawley.  Pretty difficult to tell where it will all stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Diana Furchtgott-Roth&#8221;</p>
<p>Hyphenated surnames are already becoming passe&#8217; with the increasing acceptance of triple hyphenated surnames, such as Teresa Jones-Hampton-Crawley.  Pretty difficult to tell where it will all stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182965</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s used in a non-mathematical sense.  But if the context is the distribution of income over time, you&#039;re talking about the distribution of datapoints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s used in a non-mathematical sense.  But if the context is the distribution of income over time, you&#8217;re talking about the distribution of datapoints.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182964</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, vikingvista, and richard66.  Sorry, vidyohs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, vikingvista, and richard66.  Sorry, vidyohs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182956</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta re-arrange my sock drawer, so one last comment.

I quickly scanned all responses below this level and did not see one single one that you could confidently point to as agreeing with you on any of your above posts.

Daniel agrees with Daniel, even though sometimes Daniel also can, for want of someone else to nitpick on, also argue with himself.

But, by God, you will reply, slipping and sliding in your disingenuousness, until your bones dissolve before you&#039;ll admit someone else might have a point. Wonderfully educated and brilliant Daniel knows best, and for such a young thing too! At least that is why your mother told you no doubt.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta re-arrange my sock drawer, so one last comment.</p>
<p>I quickly scanned all responses below this level and did not see one single one that you could confidently point to as agreeing with you on any of your above posts.</p>
<p>Daniel agrees with Daniel, even though sometimes Daniel also can, for want of someone else to nitpick on, also argue with himself.</p>
<p>But, by God, you will reply, slipping and sliding in your disingenuousness, until your bones dissolve before you&#8217;ll admit someone else might have a point. Wonderfully educated and brilliant Daniel knows best, and for such a young thing too! At least that is why your mother told you no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182953</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Strange one&quot; was a reference to your weird Jesus statement, not Don&#039;s point.

You seem to have a different understanding of my fallibility than I do.  I&#039;m just sharing thoughts on here like everyone else.  The weird thing is the thought I shared here that you just responded to was a pretty basic one that a lot of people agreed with me on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Strange one&#8221; was a reference to your weird Jesus statement, not Don&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>You seem to have a different understanding of my fallibility than I do.  I&#8217;m just sharing thoughts on here like everyone else.  The weird thing is the thought I shared here that you just responded to was a pretty basic one that a lot of people agreed with me on.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182945</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, the little foreign Chihuahua wanna&#039;b barks. 

If brains were gunpowder, I could scrape your head and the muirduck&#039;s, and not get enough to blow my nose.

In reference to your comment above, good move. Keep your bark barks to one liners and you can, once in awhile, actually write something that is close to coherent; anything over one sentence and you&#039;re incapable of the English language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, the little foreign Chihuahua wanna&#8217;b barks. </p>
<p>If brains were gunpowder, I could scrape your head and the muirduck&#8217;s, and not get enough to blow my nose.</p>
<p>In reference to your comment above, good move. Keep your bark barks to one liners and you can, once in awhile, actually write something that is close to coherent; anything over one sentence and you&#8217;re incapable of the English language.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182943</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well of course Don started it all, I guess that makes him the really strange one eh? LOL.

Nothing strange at all, little one. I was taught about a perfect man named Jesus, who was always right, and never made a mistake or had an incorrect idea. Now I get to see you in action and to all intents and purposes you seem to be a reincarnation of Jesus. Always right, never an incorrect idea, and willing to take on all comers with your vast wisdom, and hammer and hammer until people just get plain tired of your disingenuous sliding away to find a new point to hammer.

Of course you have to use that disingenuous skill you have in order to slide past most opposition, but hey, perfection just is what it is, eh youngster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course Don started it all, I guess that makes him the really strange one eh? LOL.</p>
<p>Nothing strange at all, little one. I was taught about a perfect man named Jesus, who was always right, and never made a mistake or had an incorrect idea. Now I get to see you in action and to all intents and purposes you seem to be a reincarnation of Jesus. Always right, never an incorrect idea, and willing to take on all comers with your vast wisdom, and hammer and hammer until people just get plain tired of your disingenuous sliding away to find a new point to hammer.</p>
<p>Of course you have to use that disingenuous skill you have in order to slide past most opposition, but hey, perfection just is what it is, eh youngster?</p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182941</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how everyone here is so concerned about whether inequality is rising or falling, but not about the significance of it. and about whether or not there had been a prior distribution of redistributed income, but not about the consequences of the policy.

Prior distribution or not, and inequality rising or not, all that matters is that taking from the rich to give to the poor can not reduce but only increase inequality.

All the other talk is not just a waste of time and a distraction, but a capitulation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how everyone here is so concerned about whether inequality is rising or falling, but not about the significance of it. and about whether or not there had been a prior distribution of redistributed income, but not about the consequences of the policy.</p>
<p>Prior distribution or not, and inequality rising or not, all that matters is that taking from the rich to give to the poor can not reduce but only increase inequality.</p>
<p>All the other talk is not just a waste of time and a distraction, but a capitulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182931</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a strange one, vidyohs.

As for your fury at my use of &quot;income redistribution&quot; - tell it to Don.  He brought it up.  The only thing I did was point out that the word &quot;distribution&quot; in that phrase was a verb.  That&#039;s hardly the sort of observation that deserves a rebuke from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a strange one, vidyohs.</p>
<p>As for your fury at my use of &#8220;income redistribution&#8221; &#8211; tell it to Don.  He brought it up.  The only thing I did was point out that the word &#8220;distribution&#8221; in that phrase was a verb.  That&#8217;s hardly the sort of observation that deserves a rebuke from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182930</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who think there&#039;s no ambiguity in the meaning of &quot;income-distribution&quot;, try a Google search.  Here&#039;s what I got when I added the word &#039;fair&#039; --

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progress.org/2006/hirsch01.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Progress Report&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/10/eng20060710_281735.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economist calls for fair income distribution in China&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=28675&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Income distribution, socioeconomic status, and self rated health in the United States: multilevel analysis&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sdnp.org.mw/~esaias/ettah/vision-2020/chapter-9.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FAIR AND EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF INCOME&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Is-The-Income-Distribution-In-The-United-States-Fair-Why-Or-Why-Not/53117&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is the income distribution in the United States fair? Why or why not?&lt;/a&gt;

The term &#039;distribution&#039; is frequently used in a non-mathematical sense.  Nobody is referring to a &quot;fair&quot; distribution of data points -- they&#039;re not talking about making an observation, they&#039;re talking about taking action.  Even more disturbing -- check how often the word &quot;economist&quot; shows up in the articles.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who think there&#8217;s no ambiguity in the meaning of &#8220;income-distribution&#8221;, try a Google search.  Here&#8217;s what I got when I added the word &#8216;fair&#8217; &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.progress.org/2006/hirsch01.htm" rel="nofollow">The Progress Report</a></p>
<p><a href="http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/10/eng20060710_281735.html" rel="nofollow">Economist calls for fair income distribution in China</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=28675" rel="nofollow">Income distribution, socioeconomic status, and self rated health in the United States: multilevel analysis</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sdnp.org.mw/~esaias/ettah/vision-2020/chapter-9.htm" rel="nofollow">FAIR AND EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF INCOME</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Is-The-Income-Distribution-In-The-United-States-Fair-Why-Or-Why-Not/53117" rel="nofollow">Is the income distribution in the United States fair? Why or why not?</a></p>
<p>The term &#8216;distribution&#8217; is frequently used in a non-mathematical sense.  Nobody is referring to a &#8220;fair&#8221; distribution of data points &#8212; they&#8217;re not talking about making an observation, they&#8217;re talking about taking action.  Even more disturbing &#8212; check how often the word &#8220;economist&#8221; shows up in the articles.</p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182928</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw in my e mail that somewhere hereabouts Daniel is still babbling about mathematics in economics.

I cannot tell you how many times I have explained to him, without rebuttal, in the final analysis, that there is no such thing, but, apparently, you couldn&#039;t penetrate his skull with an atomic-powered harpoon.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw in my e mail that somewhere hereabouts Daniel is still babbling about mathematics in economics.</p>
<p>I cannot tell you how many times I have explained to him, without rebuttal, in the final analysis, that there is no such thing, but, apparently, you couldn&#8217;t penetrate his skull with an atomic-powered harpoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182926</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it&#039;s not &#039;income redistribution&#039; to Libertarians who have worked with the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s not &#8216;income redistribution&#8217; to Libertarians who have worked with the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182925</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

I think the term &#039;Distribution&#039; is used for its mathematical meaning. Distribution as in frequency or probability density functions etc.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>I think the term &#8216;Distribution&#8217; is used for its mathematical meaning. Distribution as in frequency or probability density functions etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here I thought Jesus had died a little over 2000 years ago, but maybe you&#039;re just his reincarnation, DK.

Sure income has been distributed, but forceful and involuntary confiscation of any portion of that distributed income, to give to other people is not &quot;income redistribution&quot;, it is distribution of stolen wealth.

So when you socialist talk about income redistribution it is that duplicitous thing you do, it is a lie. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here I thought Jesus had died a little over 2000 years ago, but maybe you&#8217;re just his reincarnation, DK.</p>
<p>Sure income has been distributed, but forceful and involuntary confiscation of any portion of that distributed income, to give to other people is not &#8220;income redistribution&#8221;, it is distribution of stolen wealth.</p>
<p>So when you socialist talk about income redistribution it is that duplicitous thing you do, it is a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Don.  &quot;Income distribution&quot; is a classic example of passive equivocation.  Statisticians know what they mean when they use the word.  Non-statisticians don&#039;t always know.  In exchanges on these subjects the conversation often goes toward a discussion of &quot;fair&quot; or &quot;equitable&quot; distribution of income, which conjures up the &quot;allotment&quot; meaning of the word, rather than the &quot;arrangement of data&quot; use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Don.  &#8220;Income distribution&#8221; is a classic example of passive equivocation.  Statisticians know what they mean when they use the word.  Non-statisticians don&#8217;t always know.  In exchanges on these subjects the conversation often goes toward a discussion of &#8220;fair&#8221; or &#8220;equitable&#8221; distribution of income, which conjures up the &#8220;allotment&#8221; meaning of the word, rather than the &#8220;arrangement of data&#8221; use.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/incomes-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-182788</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By my calculations, using US census figures from 2005, different numbers of earners per household is a major contributor to observed household inequality. In fact, even if all jobs paid exactly the same, and there were no other sources of income, the GINI in the US would be 38.8.

All other factors - those that inflate it (like actual differences in wages, investment returns, an observed association between earnings potential and number of earners in the household) and those that deflate it (transfer payments, substitution of investment income for earnings from work when possible) - combine to shift it from that baseline 38.8 to 40.8, according to the UN&#039;s human development report.

Make of it what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By my calculations, using US census figures from 2005, different numbers of earners per household is a major contributor to observed household inequality. In fact, even if all jobs paid exactly the same, and there were no other sources of income, the GINI in the US would be 38.8.</p>
<p>All other factors &#8211; those that inflate it (like actual differences in wages, investment returns, an observed association between earnings potential and number of earners in the household) and those that deflate it (transfer payments, substitution of investment income for earnings from work when possible) &#8211; combine to shift it from that baseline 38.8 to 40.8, according to the UN&#8217;s human development report.</p>
<p>Make of it what you will.</p>
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