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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-63151</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. White,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You need say no more.  Your silence has said it all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And now, perhaps, we may add another layer to Masonomics:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See no new ideas, hear no new ideas, speak no new ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. White,</p>
<p>You need say no more.  Your silence has said it all.</p>
<p>And now, perhaps, we may add another layer to Masonomics:</p>
<p>See no new ideas, hear no new ideas, speak no new ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-63067</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that none of the professional economists hereabouts has ventured any opinion on this subject, at least out in the open, and that this frontier of the science, at least, has been a monopoly of amateurs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where are all the learned critics of the past, from behind closed doors, White, Friedman, Hazlett, High, and the young lions of today?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With all due respect for its good works, couldn&#039;t Masonomics find one little corner somewhere for a new idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that none of the professional economists hereabouts has ventured any opinion on this subject, at least out in the open, and that this frontier of the science, at least, has been a monopoly of amateurs.</p>
<p>Where are all the learned critics of the past, from behind closed doors, White, Friedman, Hazlett, High, and the young lions of today?</p>
<p>With all due respect for its good works, couldn&#39;t Masonomics find one little corner somewhere for a new idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Fortinbras</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-63064</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortinbras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post only fuels my desire to learn from and to contribute to the Masonomics Pantheon.  Give me one year, Dr. Roberts, and you will see me around! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post only fuels my desire to learn from and to contribute to the Masonomics Pantheon.  Give me one year, Dr. Roberts, and you will see me around! <img src='http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-63037</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. White,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have been chasing you for thirty years, and now here you are right behind me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are my favorite of all time, and the best pure economist in the Austrian School today.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You once told me what you thought was wrong with my theory of redistribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Won&#039;t you share your wisdom with the rest of us now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. White,</p>
<p>I have been chasing you for thirty years, and now here you are right behind me.</p>
<p>You are my favorite of all time, and the best pure economist in the Austrian School today.</p>
<p>You once told me what you thought was wrong with my theory of redistribution.</p>
<p>Won&#39;t you share your wisdom with the rest of us now?</p>
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		<title>By: lawrencehwhite</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-63036</link>
		<dc:creator>lawrencehwhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there may be more who are Austrian or semi-Austrian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there may be more who are Austrian or semi-Austrian.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62946</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Cody is making a fundamentally praxeological point, Anton.  If you read what he wrote, he was suspicious of econometrics because he was concerned that they DIDN&#039;T derive the properties of their technique - and I was just assuring him that they did (Econometrica, etc. is essentially a mathematical statistics journal these days - very little substantive economics).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not that it&#039;s invalid for you to make a praxeological critique.  I think it&#039;s a bogus critique, but it&#039;s still valid to make it.  But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Cody was saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think Cody is making a fundamentally praxeological point, Anton.  If you read what he wrote, he was suspicious of econometrics because he was concerned that they DIDN&#39;T derive the properties of their technique &#8211; and I was just assuring him that they did (Econometrica, etc. is essentially a mathematical statistics journal these days &#8211; very little substantive economics).</p>
<p>Not that it&#39;s invalid for you to make a praxeological critique.  I think it&#39;s a bogus critique, but it&#39;s still valid to make it.  But I don&#39;t think that&#39;s what Cody was saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Rasmussen</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62927</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Really? Take an econometrics class, and you&#039;ll see. It&#039;s the same math.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to disagree on this point.  Cody&#039;s argument isn&#039;t that econ doesn&#039;t use math... it&#039;s just that it uses math when it shouldn&#039;t.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To accept the principles of statistics one is bound to the axioms of mathematics... and these axioms are inherently (and perfectly) logical.  To accept the principles of econometrics one is bound to the axioms of economic theory.  These axioms are not logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Really? Take an econometrics class, and you&#39;ll see. It&#39;s the same math.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to disagree on this point.  Cody&#39;s argument isn&#39;t that econ doesn&#39;t use math&#8230; it&#39;s just that it uses math when it shouldn&#39;t.  </p>
<p>To accept the principles of statistics one is bound to the axioms of mathematics&#8230; and these axioms are inherently (and perfectly) logical.  To accept the principles of econometrics one is bound to the axioms of economic theory.  These axioms are not logical.</p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62925</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G. Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about Masonomics, but economics, as the name implies, is the science of the economization of scarce resources, of the greatest satisfaction at the least cost, for the market as a whole, and for the social classes and nations within it, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Adam Smith defined it by the Invisible Hand.  For, it was not about visible events, but the invisible cause and effect relations among them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since you could not observe the Invisible Hand, it was not empirical.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And since, if you couldn’t observe it, you couldn’t measure, count, or calculate it, it was not mathematical.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since, as Mises explained, action is an offshoot of reason, and reason has the power to make clear through pure ratiocination the essential features of action, it is a science, not of observation and counting, but conception and deduction, reasoning and thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no branches of economics, just economics and non-economics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no micro and macro economics, for all economics is both micro and macro, the macro effects of micro action.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no “technical” economics, just technical pretension, showing that you can sling the bull around with the best of them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no experimental economics.  It is all theoretical.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no psychological economics.  It deals not with the motivations of action but with action itself.  From the axiom of action, that men act to remove unease, economics moves through all that it implies, asking not why men believe that a particular action will remove their unease, but whether or not it will do so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, there’s more to it than that.  But, at least, that’s a beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know about Masonomics, but economics, as the name implies, is the science of the economization of scarce resources, of the greatest satisfaction at the least cost, for the market as a whole, and for the social classes and nations within it, </p>
<p>Adam Smith defined it by the Invisible Hand.  For, it was not about visible events, but the invisible cause and effect relations among them.</p>
<p>Since you could not observe the Invisible Hand, it was not empirical.</p>
<p>And since, if you couldn’t observe it, you couldn’t measure, count, or calculate it, it was not mathematical.</p>
<p>Since, as Mises explained, action is an offshoot of reason, and reason has the power to make clear through pure ratiocination the essential features of action, it is a science, not of observation and counting, but conception and deduction, reasoning and thinking.</p>
<p>There are no branches of economics, just economics and non-economics.</p>
<p>There is no micro and macro economics, for all economics is both micro and macro, the macro effects of micro action.</p>
<p>There is no “technical” economics, just technical pretension, showing that you can sling the bull around with the best of them.</p>
<p>There is no experimental economics.  It is all theoretical.</p>
<p>There is no psychological economics.  It deals not with the motivations of action but with action itself.  From the axiom of action, that men act to remove unease, economics moves through all that it implies, asking not why men believe that a particular action will remove their unease, but whether or not it will do so.</p>
<p>Of course, there’s more to it than that.  But, at least, that’s a beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: smilerz</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62841</link>
		<dc:creator>smilerz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before reading this blog and Marginal Revolution I had no interest in economics thinking that it was nothing but finance.  I have learned an immense amount through this &#039;free&#039; service that you provide and now spend most of my time thinking and reading about the &#039;economic&#039; way of thinking. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It now informs how I think about everything from the economy, to politics to how I do my job and interact with people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I, for one, am a better person because of what you and the other GMU economists have been doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before reading this blog and Marginal Revolution I had no interest in economics thinking that it was nothing but finance.  I have learned an immense amount through this &#39;free&#39; service that you provide and now spend most of my time thinking and reading about the &#39;economic&#39; way of thinking. </p>
<p>It now informs how I think about everything from the economy, to politics to how I do my job and interact with people.</p>
<p>I, for one, am a better person because of what you and the other GMU economists have been doing.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62828</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting at what you said here: &quot;The problem with any science is insufficient data. How can economists really claim to have all the answers when we have millions of unknown data points?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I fully agree with what you just posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m getting at what you said here: &#8220;The problem with any science is insufficient data. How can economists really claim to have all the answers when we have millions of unknown data points?&#8221;</p>
<p>And I fully agree with what you just posted.</p>
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		<title>By: ArrowSmith</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62822</link>
		<dc:creator>ArrowSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel - I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re really getting at. My position remains that professional economists have too much a vested interest in an outcome they desire, and will not follow ALL the evidence wherever it leads. Now I think Profs Boudreaux and Roberts are exempt from this - as I perceive them to be true economic scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8211; I don&#39;t know what you&#39;re really getting at. My position remains that professional economists have too much a vested interest in an outcome they desire, and will not follow ALL the evidence wherever it leads. Now I think Profs Boudreaux and Roberts are exempt from this &#8211; as I perceive them to be true economic scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62819</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That economists make claims to &quot;have all the answers&quot;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And on a second reading, this could have two interpretations.  One (1.) could be that you are questioning actual claims that have been made.  The second interpretation (2.) is that you are speculating on the possibility of validly making such a claim, and finding such a prospect impossible.  If it&#039;s that second interpretation then I agree with you.  If it&#039;s the first, it shouldn&#039;t be too hard to provide an example, should it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That economists make claims to &#8220;have all the answers&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And on a second reading, this could have two interpretations.  One (1.) could be that you are questioning actual claims that have been made.  The second interpretation (2.) is that you are speculating on the possibility of validly making such a claim, and finding such a prospect impossible.  If it&#39;s that second interpretation then I agree with you.  If it&#39;s the first, it shouldn&#39;t be too hard to provide an example, should it?</p>
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		<title>By: ArrowSmith</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62814</link>
		<dc:creator>ArrowSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What accusation was that Danny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What accusation was that Danny?</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62812</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then it shouldn&#039;t have been challenging for arrowsmith to provide an example with his accusation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or for you to provide an example with yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then it shouldn&#39;t have been challenging for arrowsmith to provide an example with his accusation.</p>
<p>Or for you to provide an example with yours.</p>
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		<title>By: ArrowSmith</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62809</link>
		<dc:creator>ArrowSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have too many vested interests in professional economists for them to take the Socratic approach.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Palmer</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62806</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than you probably think.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Palmer</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62805</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent essay Dr. Roberts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent essay Dr. Roberts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Breed</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62787</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Breed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad.  I got here looking for information on the new Dan Brown book.  I hear that the Masonomics have been very good. &lt;br&gt;JK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad.  I got here looking for information on the new Dan Brown book.  I hear that the Masonomics have been very good. <br />JK</p>
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		<title>By: Another Russ</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62770</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow the Mason Economics department much more closely than I do the one from which I graduated, but I blame geography. I live in Arlington and enjoy that the school is there even though my other ties to it are nonexistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the Mason Economics department much more closely than I do the one from which I graduated, but I blame geography. I live in Arlington and enjoy that the school is there even though my other ties to it are nonexistent.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/masonomics.html/comment-page-1#comment-62713</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone claimed to have all the answers?</description>
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