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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181233</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know that fraud will occur at the expense of deaths.&quot;

You mistakenly believe the FDA protects you against fraud.  I can&#039;t account for ideas, however false, that make some people feel good, but other than those ideas, the FDA provides you with NOTHING of value (unless you are employed by them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know that fraud will occur at the expense of deaths.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mistakenly believe the FDA protects you against fraud.  I can&#8217;t account for ideas, however false, that make some people feel good, but other than those ideas, the FDA provides you with NOTHING of value (unless you are employed by them).</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181224</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was unexpected, because we didn&#039;t expect to stop at that restaurant. 
It was massive (30 tourists in a tiny restaurant). 
We will never eat there again - the basis of our business dealing was that 1 dinner.

Seems to me that the example is relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was unexpected, because we didn&#8217;t expect to stop at that restaurant.<br />
It was massive (30 tourists in a tiny restaurant).<br />
We will never eat there again &#8211; the basis of our business dealing was that 1 dinner.</p>
<p>Seems to me that the example is relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181215</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) by the lowest bidder, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  by the lowest bidder, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181178</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an irrelevant example.In what way is you being hungry an unexpected massive increase in demand? In what way does that restaurant owner not have a stake in maintaining his business on an extended basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an irrelevant example.In what way is you being hungry an unexpected massive increase in demand? In what way does that restaurant owner not have a stake in maintaining his business on an extended basis?</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181177</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

while on vacation, I had a hunger crisis, so I went to a restaurant and got myself out of the crisis. Should I have been worried about the lack of &quot;honesty incentive&quot; due to lower likelyhood of &quot;repeated games&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>while on vacation, I had a hunger crisis, so I went to a restaurant and got myself out of the crisis. Should I have been worried about the lack of &#8220;honesty incentive&#8221; due to lower likelyhood of &#8220;repeated games&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To which I&#039;ll pose the same question I did above:

Why wouldn&#039;t the same profit motive that causes existing suppliers to increase production also lead to market entry?  The prospect of additional profits always leads to both.  And, how exactly do you suppose drug companies scale up production so significantly?  They contract with new manufacturers.

Certainly in a situation like Katrina new suppliers will enter - probably significantly moreso than with vaccines.

But you need to explain why the profit motive increases intensive production but doesn&#039;t increase extensive production.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To which I&#8217;ll pose the same question I did above:</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t the same profit motive that causes existing suppliers to increase production also lead to market entry?  The prospect of additional profits always leads to both.  And, how exactly do you suppose drug companies scale up production so significantly?  They contract with new manufacturers.</p>
<p>Certainly in a situation like Katrina new suppliers will enter &#8211; probably significantly moreso than with vaccines.</p>
<p>But you need to explain why the profit motive increases intensive production but doesn&#8217;t increase extensive production.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181170</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what I&#039;m referring to, is that the suppliers that are supplying in a crisis are the same ones that are supplying during regular market conditions. 

No doubt the incentives are lower, but suppliers would, in my estimation, actually go above and beyond what is normal decorum during a crisis to build trust with consumers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what I&#8217;m referring to, is that the suppliers that are supplying in a crisis are the same ones that are supplying during regular market conditions. </p>
<p>No doubt the incentives are lower, but suppliers would, in my estimation, actually go above and beyond what is normal decorum during a crisis to build trust with consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181168</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall asserting that they would have a disproportionate market share. Did I?  What I said was that there would be a lower likelihood of suppliers who are interested in establishing themselves permanently, and therefore lower incentive to be honest.  I&#039;m still not clear on why that isn&#039;t self-evident.I agree with your first paragraph in it&#039;s entirety. Repeated interactions is only one mechanism for building trust - explicit contracting works too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall asserting that they would have a disproportionate market share. Did I?  What I said was that there would be a lower likelihood of suppliers who are interested in establishing themselves permanently, and therefore lower incentive to be honest.  I&#8217;m still not clear on why that isn&#8217;t self-evident.I agree with your first paragraph in it&#8217;s entirety. Repeated interactions is only one mechanism for building trust &#8211; explicit contracting works too.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181166</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markets run more efficiently with trust but they are not dependent on it. If we had to explicitly trust everyone we did business with, there would be no need for warranties or insurance. Either that or we would never engage in trade to begin with. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I made the (I thought) not too crazy leap that suppliers in crisis situations are less likely to be interested in or have prospects of repeated business interactions, compared to suppliers in normal conditions.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That&#039;s a very large leap to take. While it&#039;s true that there are always charlatans out there running fly by night operations. Do you have any data to support your assertion that they would have a disproportionate market share during a crisis? That&#039;s the only way your argument holds any water. 

I would say read her book, but that would be like buying a Kanye West album, I wouldn&#039;t want to reward bad behavior. Needless to say, Shock Doctrine is all the rage in socialist circles (Undergrad English, and Soc depts). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markets run more efficiently with trust but they are not dependent on it. If we had to explicitly trust everyone we did business with, there would be no need for warranties or insurance. Either that or we would never engage in trade to begin with. </p>
<blockquote><p>I made the (I thought) not too crazy leap that suppliers in crisis situations are less likely to be interested in or have prospects of repeated business interactions, compared to suppliers in normal conditions.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a very large leap to take. While it&#8217;s true that there are always charlatans out there running fly by night operations. Do you have any data to support your assertion that they would have a disproportionate market share during a crisis? That&#8217;s the only way your argument holds any water. </p>
<p>I would say read her book, but that would be like buying a Kanye West album, I wouldn&#8217;t want to reward bad behavior. Needless to say, Shock Doctrine is all the rage in socialist circles (Undergrad English, and Soc depts).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181162</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard of angieslist.com. Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of angieslist.com. Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181150</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read anything Klein has written, but the few youtube clips I&#039;ve seen of her have convinced me I&#039;m in pretty strong disagreement with her.  What is her &quot;shock doctrine&quot;?

I&#039;m actually pulling this from a workshop I attended that was directed by a GMU econ professor, Bart Wilson.  Markets depend on trust.  Trust is built to a large extent by the prospect of repeated business interactions.  I made the (I thought) not too crazy leap that suppliers in crisis situations are less likely to be interested in or have prospects of repeated business interactions, compared to suppliers in normal conditions.  Thus, less incentive to be trustworthy.  What&#039;s wrong with that logic?  I don&#039;t think you need someone like Naomi Klein to defend that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read anything Klein has written, but the few youtube clips I&#8217;ve seen of her have convinced me I&#8217;m in pretty strong disagreement with her.  What is her &#8220;shock doctrine&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually pulling this from a workshop I attended that was directed by a GMU econ professor, Bart Wilson.  Markets depend on trust.  Trust is built to a large extent by the prospect of repeated business interactions.  I made the (I thought) not too crazy leap that suppliers in crisis situations are less likely to be interested in or have prospects of repeated business interactions, compared to suppliers in normal conditions.  Thus, less incentive to be trustworthy.  What&#8217;s wrong with that logic?  I don&#8217;t think you need someone like Naomi Klein to defend that.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181148</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians? But then again they do have an incentive to play dumb. 

Lawyers maybe? 

No wait, HS history teachers! My wife had a history teacher that told the class that the Holocaust didn&#039;t happen. She, the teacher, never got fired because of the union, instead she got moved from teaching HS history to grade school (1-5) to fill even younger minds full of utter nonsense. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians? But then again they do have an incentive to play dumb. </p>
<p>Lawyers maybe? </p>
<p>No wait, HS history teachers! My wife had a history teacher that told the class that the Holocaust didn&#8217;t happen. She, the teacher, never got fired because of the union, instead she got moved from teaching HS history to grade school (1-5) to fill even younger minds full of utter nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181147</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muirgeo has the basic assumption that everyone is exactly like himself. So I&#039;m sure he does think everyone is basically incompetent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muirgeo has the basic assumption that everyone is exactly like himself. So I&#8217;m sure he does think everyone is basically incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181146</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game theory has nothing to do with it. Why are you trying to repeat Naomi Klein&#039;s fallacious argument from Shock Doctrine? 
Do you think Klein is right? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game theory has nothing to do with it. Why are you trying to repeat Naomi Klein&#8217;s fallacious argument from Shock Doctrine?<br />
Do you think Klein is right?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181145</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would she trust water, that somebody brought in from a neighboring county if there was a disaster? OMG those profit motivated people might have poisoned the water....killing future customers.
Hey wait, is that what she does to her patients? Of course not, so why does she think so low about other people? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would she trust water, that somebody brought in from a neighboring county if there was a disaster? OMG those profit motivated people might have poisoned the water&#8230;.killing future customers.<br />
Hey wait, is that what she does to her patients? Of course not, so why does she think so low about other people?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181144</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course she would. Once her and her family come down with symptoms, see how fast she&#039;d be running to &quot;profit motivated&quot; private suppliers for a vaccine. 

This is like the Wal-Mart argument. Libs love to complain at Wal-Mart about workers rights, benefits blah blah blah...yet continue to shop there. They don&#039;t put their money where there mouth is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course she would. Once her and her family come down with symptoms, see how fast she&#8217;d be running to &#8220;profit motivated&#8221; private suppliers for a vaccine. </p>
<p>This is like the Wal-Mart argument. Libs love to complain at Wal-Mart about workers rights, benefits blah blah blah&#8230;yet continue to shop there. They don&#8217;t put their money where there mouth is.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/09/trusting-strangers.html/comment-page-1#comment-181141</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With emerging tech like angieslist.com, I think the case for state licensing get worse, not like it was a rock solid case to begin with. 
People now have more power to regulate industry with the power of the checkbook, which is far superior than a regulator. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With emerging tech like angieslist.com, I think the case for state licensing get worse, not like it was a rock solid case to begin with.<br />
People now have more power to regulate industry with the power of the checkbook, which is far superior than a regulator.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ever and always about the opportunity costs. 

We probably won&#039;t know how many people die each year waiting on drugs to get approved by the FDA considering where the funding for such a study would come from. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ever and always about the opportunity costs. </p>
<p>We probably won&#8217;t know how many people die each year waiting on drugs to get approved by the FDA considering where the funding for such a study would come from.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ-
Ask your friend if she would trust a vaccine that was made because the government said it had to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ-<br />
Ask your friend if she would trust a vaccine that was made because the government said it had to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Surfisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people are willing to pay for that &quot;feeling.&quot; They might not know that they are paying more for that feeling then they have to if the FDA went away and private firms took over. I know the incentive for each firm to produce &quot;safe&quot; products would be there in the private system; however, I can&#039;t turn my head when you see the same incentive causing the peanut butter deaths here in the USA and the powdered milk deaths in China. In each case it was profit incentive at fault. However, people need to realize it is not evil capitalist doing this, but immoral people which would be present in any system. 
At the same time I understand the the FDA makes the process for new drugs much more expensive and time consuming and how many people die because of the process. I personally don&#039;t know where to draw the line. I see the benefits of a private system vs the FDA, but I know that fraud will occur at the expense of deaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people are willing to pay for that &#8220;feeling.&#8221; They might not know that they are paying more for that feeling then they have to if the FDA went away and private firms took over. I know the incentive for each firm to produce &#8220;safe&#8221; products would be there in the private system; however, I can&#8217;t turn my head when you see the same incentive causing the peanut butter deaths here in the USA and the powdered milk deaths in China. In each case it was profit incentive at fault. However, people need to realize it is not evil capitalist doing this, but immoral people which would be present in any system.<br />
At the same time I understand the the FDA makes the process for new drugs much more expensive and time consuming and how many people die because of the process. I personally don&#8217;t know where to draw the line. I see the benefits of a private system vs the FDA, but I know that fraud will occur at the expense of deaths.</p>
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