Chicago is out

by Russ Roberts on October 2, 2009

in Sports

The Olympics will not be coming to Chicago in 2016. Condolences to President Obama. Congrats to the people of Chicago.

Comments

{ 41 comments }

Name October 2, 2009 at 3:56 pm

oh but my poor brazil still has chances to suffer (get these games)

Ike Pigott October 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Chicago is changing its name from the Second City to the Fourth City.

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 4:19 pm

Obama sticks his neck way out, very publicly, only to fall on his face a few days later, all for the sake of a sporting event. Politically gutsy or naive?

John October 2, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Hosting the Olympics costs taxpayers a lot of money, but it creates marvelous opportunities for graft and rent-seeking.

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 4:07 am

And few places in America grow politicians more adept at graft and rent-seeking than Chicago.

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 5:11 pm

A semi-random CBA methodology question:

On page 41 and 42 they don’t count the consumer surplus in secondary market (for things like hotel rooms – but presumably travel, taxi, food, etc.) because that consumer surplus is already measured as part of the “Olympic spectacle” measure – and they don’t want to double count.

But how is consumer surplus measured for the “Olympic spectacle”? From page 23 and 24 it seems like it is only measured based on the ticket price, with some modifying assumptions for scalping, etc.

In other words, on page 41 and 42 they essentially say “the ‘willingness to pay’ for the Olympic experience isn’t just the ticket price – it’s the price you pay for your hotel room, your travel, your food while you’re there, etc. too – but we don’t want to count that for attendees because that would be double counting”. But then when they count the willingness to pay for the experience on page 23 and 24, they only base it on ticket prices, with some adjustments – they don’t base it on “ticket price plus hotel price plus food, etc.” like they say they should on page 42. Shouldn’t this be an underestimate of consumer surplus, or am I thinking about it the wrong way?

The treatment of national pride is strange too. They take an estimate of what “national pride” is worth in the literature, but then decide to cut that in half for people that don’t live in British Columbia. That doesn’t seem to make much sense, since the literature provides an average estimate for national pride – not local pride. Obviously there’s a lot of discretion on these things – but it makes you wonder when changing that one aspect alone would have closed TWO THIRDS of the negative net benefit gap (the net cost was $100 million. If they did what the literature said rather than cutting the “national pride” benefit in half, the net cost would have been only $35 million – for that change alone)!!!

But you know – people disagree on these things, which is why CBA’s usually do sensitivity analyses that tighten or relax these assumptions. This one doesn’t seem to have a sensitivity analysis.

To a large extent advocating against the Olympics and other investments like it suffers from the same problems as people who advocate protectionism – just like with free trade, the costs of these public investments are concentrated, but the benefits are diffuse. That makes it really easy for opponents to get their way.

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 10:53 am

Do you ever stop talking?

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 11:09 am

Seriously, man (girl?), do you ever shut up? Never mind the economics part – how do you spew so much verbal crap?I am genuinely curious. What makes you so cluelessly verbose?You are Krugman’s wet dream intern, so I’ll forward your (fake) resume to him. Sadly, I fear even he will tire of you.Plan B: the UN & IOC. Wait…IPCC. That’s where you belong.

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm

I’d rather be someone that’s verbose than someone that gets upset enough at substantial length comment to respond twice complaining about it. It’s kind of a weird reaction man (girl?).

Too many people pass on links and literature because it agrees with their position, rather than because it’s of high quality. More people should question “proof” that gets linked to or passed around.

Gil October 3, 2009 at 4:13 pm

That should read:

“I’d rather be someone -who’s- verbose than someone -who- gets upset enough at substantial length comment to respond twice complaining about it.”

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 4:48 pm

“that” is perfectly appropriate as a pronoun in this context. To quote webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/that):

“That, which, who: In current usage that refers to persons or things, which chiefly to things and rarely to subhuman entities, who chiefly to persons and sometimes to animals. The notion that that should not be used to refer to persons is without foundation; such use is entirely standard.”

Methinks was (incorrectly) correcting my grammar too the other day. What’s the deal with grammar Nazis lately? Isn’t the advantage of blogging that, except for cases that are so egregious they are unreadable, you can be a little casual?

MWG October 2, 2009 at 5:12 pm

I have mixed feelings as I consider Brazil my second home (my Brazilian friends accuse me of being more Brazilian than American). I think (hope) the Olympics will be a net win for them bringing much deserved attention to a country with growing potential economically… we’ll see…

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 6:56 pm

There would be one way to almost ensure it–don’t let the government spend any money on it. But of course it would wind up looking like a poor man’s olympics without all the elaborate new facilities governments like to dump money into. I mean, you sure can’t have an olympic games where you reuse those ugly old college stadiums, can you?

MWG October 2, 2009 at 7:20 pm

I hope Brazil has enough time to prepare. Brazilian govt. projects tend to move very, very, very, ssloooowly…

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 9:00 pm

That’s not specific to Brazilian governments! I have seen very few fast successful government programs.

MWG October 2, 2009 at 10:19 pm

Touche…

Curious October 2, 2009 at 5:40 pm

The people of Chicago brought Obama to national spotlight by electing him. If you ask me, they should have been punished – they should have gotten the Olympics.

Mike October 2, 2009 at 5:46 pm

So the taxpayer funded trips to Copenhagen were a waste of money? I’m still puzzled why Obama went in the first place…

Seth October 2, 2009 at 10:03 pm

My theory: He got bad info that it was in the bag, so he went to make himself look good. Putin probably told him he’d fix it for him if they dropped the missile shield.

BoscoH October 2, 2009 at 6:38 pm

WWJCD? What would Jimmy Carter do? Boycott!

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 6:59 pm

The olympic committee is racist.

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Huzzah! Huzzah!

Jonathan Catalán October 2, 2009 at 9:39 pm

I am from Madrid, Spain, and so I’m let down that we’ve lost our second straight bid. The problem is that regardless of the outcome of each individual bid, the city will continue to pour money into the “infrastructure” necessary for the Olympics, and so the more time we go without winning the more time the city will have to continue spending money. All of this, with 18.9% unemployment (and the likelihood that it will go over 20% soon enough).

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 12:32 am

I blame Global Warming.

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 7:14 am

Chicago’s loss is America’s gain. Down with Barack Obama!

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 11:01 am

Well as Bill Maher said at least the comparisons of Obama to Hitler can stop now. Because Hitler GOT the Olympics.

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 11:22 am

Well at least Hitler knew when his cult was up…

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 11:28 am

Think Hit- um, O will do the right thing now, George? Oprah’s leaking massive botox pools right now, major biohazard….

Billy October 3, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Russ and Don should really go back to moderating comments.

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Haha – wait a minute, wait a minute.

You write “Oprah’s leaking massive botox pools right now” and you call what I write crap?

Gil October 3, 2009 at 4:19 pm

Heck! When you see the Olympic Torch alight you can join in Hitler’s 1936 vision of a thousand years of Nazi rule!

P.S. Mesa must have caught a ‘verbal stomach bug’.

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 4:50 pm

Well, Nazis did often flee to South America, right? I’m sure the people on here who see fascism behind every corner will eventually come around to finding something sinister in the Rio selection.

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 6:34 pm

Yes, you write crap. Problem?

Anonymous October 3, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Not a problem per se – but since you’re not elaborating on what’s so crappy or wrong-headed about the points I made, I’m just left scratching my head about what’s got you so bothered. Do detailed questions just bother you? I don’t get it.

The Albatross October 4, 2009 at 10:06 pm

Didn’t the Weimer Republic get the Olympics? Hilter just inhereted them.

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 6:57 pm

By the way, this story is getting entirely too much attention.

Obama is just as much of an incompetent boob now as he was before this episode. This only brought to light his massive incompetence in a highly public forum, albeit entirely ceremonial. It means nothing.

Anonymous October 4, 2009 at 4:07 am

The U.S. taxpayer dodged that bullet. The cost overruns paid by the U.S. treasury would have been enough to swamp Charley Rangel’s Dominican resort with retiring corrupt Chicago politicians beginning in 2017. The exodus would have been so swift a new generation of Illinois building inspectors would have had to scramble to figure out how to extort a $100 bribe from property owners.

The combination of corrupt Chicago politicians and corrupt IOC members would have turned the ex-Nigerian treasury official that keeps e-mailing me green with envy. Then if they had moved the UN and the U.S. Capitol to Chicago in 2016 we would have seen the greatest collection of crooks and criminals in the history of the world. It would have been so bad Roman Polanski could have moved there and people would be glad they didn’t have another politician amongst them.

mesaeconoguy October 3, 2009 at 7:00 pm

Here’s a hint: nobody cares what you think.

Have a nice day.

Gil October 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm

‘That’ is supposed to be used with plants, animals and objects and is impersonal. ‘Who’ is supposed to be used with people. One person once linked an article where grammer glitches are now apparently considered acceptable because people have given up the desire to correct the glitches.

Anonymous October 5, 2009 at 9:43 am

So what is this? Now Gil gets to veto Webster? It’s usually used for impersonal objects – it’s perfectly acceptable to use for people.

Gil October 5, 2009 at 10:54 am

Bwah! I didn’t think you’d actually respond! However, nope I’m just following the few grammar rules I know of:

Hence ‘that’ versus ‘who’:

http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000255.htm

It would seem some have given up because it’s misused so often just as ‘healthy’ is misused to mean ‘healthful’:

http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000219.htm

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