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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/fulds-skin-in-the-game.html/comment-page-1#comment-184417</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>depends on how long they were a CEO and how old they were when they took the big risk, doesn&#039;t it?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>depends on how long they were a CEO and how old they were when they took the big risk, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if the professor is getting distracted or playing devil&#039;s advocate.

Just to add to your post - the reality is that if Fuld didn&#039;t participate in the madness, Lehman&#039;s returns would have lagged behind its competitors and Fuld would have been replaced with a CEO willing to do the return-at-any-price bidding of investors.  Then, we wouldn&#039;t be talking about Fuld but some other guy.  Make no mistake - there would have been a guy.

This is a reason I think I-banks made a mistake going public.  Julian Robertson decided to simply shut down Tiger Management when value investing fell out of favour and capital fled his funds to join in the tech bubble.  Growth investing was not what Tiger knew how to do well and the partners decided to shutter the fund instead of jumping into the bubble - and they could do that because Tiger was a private partnership.  A CEO of a public company doesn&#039;t have that luxury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the professor is getting distracted or playing devil&#8217;s advocate.</p>
<p>Just to add to your post &#8211; the reality is that if Fuld didn&#8217;t participate in the madness, Lehman&#8217;s returns would have lagged behind its competitors and Fuld would have been replaced with a CEO willing to do the return-at-any-price bidding of investors.  Then, we wouldn&#8217;t be talking about Fuld but some other guy.  Make no mistake &#8211; there would have been a guy.</p>
<p>This is a reason I think I-banks made a mistake going public.  Julian Robertson decided to simply shut down Tiger Management when value investing fell out of favour and capital fled his funds to join in the tech bubble.  Growth investing was not what Tiger knew how to do well and the partners decided to shutter the fund instead of jumping into the bubble &#8211; and they could do that because Tiger was a private partnership.  A CEO of a public company doesn&#8217;t have that luxury.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;investors could have punished Fuld&#039;s risky bets by dumping the stock and creditors could have refused to lend to Lehman&quot;

That&#039;s because the good professor is getting distracted from the real issue:  it was a bubble--nearly everyone was fooled.  That&#039;s what bubbles are.  No reasonable changes to the incentive structure are going to insulate large numbers of businessmen from mistakes consequent to a system-wide misdirection of signals.  

When the ground moves, those dependent upon the ground move with it.  Fuld didn&#039;t move the ground, he just rode it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;investors could have punished Fuld&#8217;s risky bets by dumping the stock and creditors could have refused to lend to Lehman&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because the good professor is getting distracted from the real issue:  it was a bubble&#8211;nearly everyone was fooled.  That&#8217;s what bubbles are.  No reasonable changes to the incentive structure are going to insulate large numbers of businessmen from mistakes consequent to a system-wide misdirection of signals.  </p>
<p>When the ground moves, those dependent upon the ground move with it.  Fuld didn&#8217;t move the ground, he just rode it.</p>
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		<title>By: mesaeconoguy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/fulds-skin-in-the-game.html/comment-page-1#comment-184113</link>
		<dc:creator>mesaeconoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just to bolster Methinks’ point&lt;i&gt;Nobody would ever sign up to manage anyone else&#039;s investment ever again if one misstep could mean financial ruin. That is the definition of undiversified.&lt;/i&gt;The sale of restricted stock is so tightly governed that you couldn’t just “cut &amp; run” like so many people think. Affiliation status carries automatic 90 day restrictions, and filing requirements (Form 144) open 90-day windows pending legal counsel approval.Here are Fuld&#039;s Form 144s:&lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/t/76/6046.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://biz.yahoo.com/t/76/6046.html&lt;/a&gt; You can&#039;t just sell the stock whenever you want (Barney Fwank&#039;s &quot;long-term ownership interest&quot;).  Ask Martha Stewart.Plus, Russ, thanks to new regulations, you couldn’t “bet a large sum of money” now anyway.;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just to bolster Methinks’ point<i>Nobody would ever sign up to manage anyone else&#8217;s investment ever again if one misstep could mean financial ruin. That is the definition of undiversified.</i>The sale of restricted stock is so tightly governed that you couldn’t just “cut &amp; run” like so many people think. Affiliation status carries automatic 90 day restrictions, and filing requirements (Form 144) open 90-day windows pending legal counsel approval.Here are Fuld&#8217;s Form 144s:<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/t/76/6046.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/t/76/6046.html</a> You can&#8217;t just sell the stock whenever you want (Barney Fwank&#8217;s &#8220;long-term ownership interest&#8221;).  Ask Martha Stewart.Plus, Russ, thanks to new regulations, you couldn’t “bet a large sum of money” now anyway.;)</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you get a risk loving whose = if you get a risk loving CEO whose...

And, by the way, Wall Street loves a risk taker.  So, it&#039;s not uncommon to find more of them at the top of firms in this industry.

I think moral hazard and Fuld&#039;s net worth are separate issues.  At any time investors could have punished Fuld&#039;s risky bets by dumping the stock and creditors could have refused to lend to Lehman. They didn&#039;t.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you get a risk loving whose = if you get a risk loving CEO whose&#8230;</p>
<p>And, by the way, Wall Street loves a risk taker.  So, it&#8217;s not uncommon to find more of them at the top of firms in this industry.</p>
<p>I think moral hazard and Fuld&#8217;s net worth are separate issues.  At any time investors could have punished Fuld&#8217;s risky bets by dumping the stock and creditors could have refused to lend to Lehman. They didn&#8217;t.</p>
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