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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188466</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxation is theft.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas A. Coss</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188372</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas A. Coss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Boudreaux, succinct as always.  Could you have imagined this in your wildless dreams?  The trouble is, so many people are so focused on looking for work, this story doesn&#039;t register.  When they get one, it will.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Boudreaux, succinct as always.  Could you have imagined this in your wildless dreams?  The trouble is, so many people are so focused on looking for work, this story doesn&#8217;t register.  When they get one, it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188337</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you fail to pay your rent, yes, the landlord has legal recourse.  The nature of that recourse is dictated by the terms of the lease agreement you signed voluntarily and by state (or other) real estate laws.

Here in Georgia, for instance, the recourse consists of evicting you (after giving appropriate notice), retaining your deposit and imposing whatever penalty is defined in the lease, commonly the rent for the remaining months of the lease.

And yes, if you refuse to pay, the landlord can go to small claims court (or state court if the amount is large enough) and sue to collect the debt.

Likewise, if the landlord breaks the terms of the lease, you, the renter, have legal recourse under the law as well.

But neither of you has the legal power to &lt;b&gt;initiate&lt;/b&gt; the use of physical force against the other.  All you can do is seek to get the government to use force &lt;b&gt;in retaliation&lt;/b&gt; for the breach-of-contract by the other party.

Government, by contrast, &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt; initiate the use of physical force against a citizen that has done no harm to anyone else, broken no contract, etc.  That&#039;s the distinction.

As to the rest of your statement, which begins with &quot;Libertarians can&#039;t show a historical magical Libertarian Eden of simple anarcho-Libertarians . . . &quot; -- you seem to be employing a form of the standard muirgeo conflation fallacy.

This fallacy consists of treating any criticism of government actions, or any advocacy of freedom, capitalism or limited government, as if it is an advocacy of anarchy -- so that you can then respond with the claim that since no functional anarchist “Eden” can be shown to exist, our arguments are refuted!

But this line of &quot;argument&quot; is so completely fallacious it‘s silly.  Advocating capitalism, freedom and limited government is not all the same thing as advocating anarchy. 

Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, wherein all property is privately owned and the role of government is limited to the (crucial!) function of protecting individual rights against those who initiate the use of physical force or fraud in any of its forms (which includes unilateral breach of contract).  Now that&#039;s not anarchy. 






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you fail to pay your rent, yes, the landlord has legal recourse.  The nature of that recourse is dictated by the terms of the lease agreement you signed voluntarily and by state (or other) real estate laws.</p>
<p>Here in Georgia, for instance, the recourse consists of evicting you (after giving appropriate notice), retaining your deposit and imposing whatever penalty is defined in the lease, commonly the rent for the remaining months of the lease.</p>
<p>And yes, if you refuse to pay, the landlord can go to small claims court (or state court if the amount is large enough) and sue to collect the debt.</p>
<p>Likewise, if the landlord breaks the terms of the lease, you, the renter, have legal recourse under the law as well.</p>
<p>But neither of you has the legal power to <b>initiate</b> the use of physical force against the other.  All you can do is seek to get the government to use force <b>in retaliation</b> for the breach-of-contract by the other party.</p>
<p>Government, by contrast, <b>can</b> initiate the use of physical force against a citizen that has done no harm to anyone else, broken no contract, etc.  That&#8217;s the distinction.</p>
<p>As to the rest of your statement, which begins with &#8220;Libertarians can&#8217;t show a historical magical Libertarian Eden of simple anarcho-Libertarians . . . &#8221; &#8212; you seem to be employing a form of the standard muirgeo conflation fallacy.</p>
<p>This fallacy consists of treating any criticism of government actions, or any advocacy of freedom, capitalism or limited government, as if it is an advocacy of anarchy &#8212; so that you can then respond with the claim that since no functional anarchist “Eden” can be shown to exist, our arguments are refuted!</p>
<p>But this line of &#8220;argument&#8221; is so completely fallacious it‘s silly.  Advocating capitalism, freedom and limited government is not all the same thing as advocating anarchy. </p>
<p>Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, wherein all property is privately owned and the role of government is limited to the (crucial!) function of protecting individual rights against those who initiate the use of physical force or fraud in any of its forms (which includes unilateral breach of contract).  Now that&#8217;s not anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Californians can escape this increase in withholding by increasing the number of personal withholding allowances they claim on their employer tax forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Californians can escape this increase in withholding by increasing the number of personal withholding allowances they claim on their employer tax forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188329</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> . . . for outstanding payments . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . for outstanding payments . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188328</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a landlord can seize the renter for outstanding and yes the landlord can raise the rent if there&#039;s an ongoing apartment shortages.  Libertarians can&#039;t show a historical magical Libertarian Eden of simple anarcho-Libertarians who were wonderfully wealthy and free only to have an outsider gang overpowering them and becoming a government.  Governments have instead evolved from established families to aristocracies to monarchies to revolution to parliamentary democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a landlord can seize the renter for outstanding and yes the landlord can raise the rent if there&#8217;s an ongoing apartment shortages.  Libertarians can&#8217;t show a historical magical Libertarian Eden of simple anarcho-Libertarians who were wonderfully wealthy and free only to have an outsider gang overpowering them and becoming a government.  Governments have instead evolved from established families to aristocracies to monarchies to revolution to parliamentary democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember my history forced loans was one of the reasons we cut off Charles I head in 1649, but I guess it is ok this time since it is &quot;the will of the people&quot; or some better nonsense than Charles and his silly Star Chamber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember my history forced loans was one of the reasons we cut off Charles I head in 1649, but I guess it is ok this time since it is &#8220;the will of the people&#8221; or some better nonsense than Charles and his silly Star Chamber.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, they invented a new kind of taxation. And since it is not technically a tax, sky is the limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, they invented a new kind of taxation. And since it is not technically a tax, sky is the limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188323</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s now discuss the &lt;i&gt;government&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; role as thief rather than the supposed thievery that takes place between a landloard and his/her renter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s now discuss the <i>government&#8217;s</i> role as thief rather than the supposed thievery that takes place between a landloard and his/her renter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188322</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction between the government and a landlord is the fact that the government has a monopoly on the legal use of physical force to seize one&#039;s earnings, while no private landlord has any such power.

Thus, while a landlord may arbitrarily change the terms of a rental (outside of a legally binding contract, under which a renter could challenge any such change in court), the landlord has no power to compel the renter to accept these new terms -- the renter can walk away without the landlord extracting another dime of his money.

Government, however, has the power to compel acceptance of any new &quot;terms&quot; it chooses to impose on the citizens, with jail sentences for any who try to &quot;walk away&quot; from its edicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction between the government and a landlord is the fact that the government has a monopoly on the legal use of physical force to seize one&#8217;s earnings, while no private landlord has any such power.</p>
<p>Thus, while a landlord may arbitrarily change the terms of a rental (outside of a legally binding contract, under which a renter could challenge any such change in court), the landlord has no power to compel the renter to accept these new terms &#8212; the renter can walk away without the landlord extracting another dime of his money.</p>
<p>Government, however, has the power to compel acceptance of any new &#8220;terms&#8221; it chooses to impose on the citizens, with jail sentences for any who try to &#8220;walk away&#8221; from its edicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188321</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So?  It could be said that a renter can&#039;t force a rental fee onto the landlord rather the landlord increases or decreases the rent depending on market conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So?  It could be said that a renter can&#8217;t force a rental fee onto the landlord rather the landlord increases or decreases the rent depending on market conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

I was just thinking about that the other day while out on a walk.  Specifically, that the idea of a social &quot;contract&quot; is invalidated by the fact that one party has the right to change the terms at will and without the consent of the other interested parties.  Thanks for reminding me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>I was just thinking about that the other day while out on a walk.  Specifically, that the idea of a social &#8220;contract&#8221; is invalidated by the fact that one party has the right to change the terms at will and without the consent of the other interested parties.  Thanks for reminding me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...he can&#039;t just raise the rent above the market. moot point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;he can&#8217;t just raise the rent above the market. moot point.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we to assume that there&#039;s no lease agreement, Gil?  And isn&#039;t the rental of property a consideration?  If one is getting the use of property in the arrangement, how is the rent paid -- even if it is now 10% above the previous rate -- a free loan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we to assume that there&#8217;s no lease agreement, Gil?  And isn&#8217;t the rental of property a consideration?  If one is getting the use of property in the arrangement, how is the rent paid &#8212; even if it is now 10% above the previous rate &#8212; a free loan?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if your landlord raises the rent by 10% are you giving him a free loan?  Is he being a thief?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if your landlord raises the rent by 10% are you giving him a free loan?  Is he being a thief?</p>
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		<title>By: DG Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188304</link>
		<dc:creator>DG Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, great post, in the Boudreaux tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, great post, in the Boudreaux tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: DG Lesvic</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188305</link>
		<dc:creator>DG Lesvic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, great post, in the Boudreaux tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, great post, in the Boudreaux tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188297</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor,
When this ripoff of the productive class in California was first proposed I predicted that the result would be a reduction in short term revenues as the increase would incite wage earners to adjust their withholding.  I await the data.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor,<br />
When this ripoff of the productive class in California was first proposed I predicted that the result would be a reduction in short term revenues as the increase would incite wage earners to adjust their withholding.  I await the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188296</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor,
When this ripoff of the productive class in California was first proposed I predicted that the result would be a reduction in short term revenues as the increase would incite wage earners to adjust their withholding.  I await the data.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor,<br />
When this ripoff of the productive class in California was first proposed I predicted that the result would be a reduction in short term revenues as the increase would incite wage earners to adjust their withholding.  I await the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/heres-a-rorschach-test.html/comment-page-1#comment-188294</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The VTA in Santa Clara County is proposing cutbacks in service because of reduced sales tax revenues.

Subsidized transport makes a bite, then takes a bite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VTA in Santa Clara County is proposing cutbacks in service because of reduced sales tax revenues.</p>
<p>Subsidized transport makes a bite, then takes a bite.</p>
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