Munger on shortages and prices

by Russ Roberts on October 19, 2009

in Health, Prices

The latest EconTalk is a conversation with Mike Munger on using prices, particularly in the area of health care.

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Scott October 19, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Russ have you done your Rap in NYC yet? If not will it be open to the public?

Justin P October 19, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Mungercasts are some of my favorites. Keep ‘em coming Russ!

Anonymous October 19, 2009 at 3:56 pm

Me too. I feel like I know you two guys personally…

Justin P October 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm

I think Russ and Mike should have their own show on Fox business or something.

The Other Eric October 19, 2009 at 7:25 pm

I love this idea!

Anonymous October 20, 2009 at 6:03 am

Someone should fire off an email to Roger Ailes. A Sunday EconTalk hour? Awesome.

Justin P October 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm

I volunteer to be the man on the street.

Anonymous October 19, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Very pertinent discussion. Scarcity with regards to health care, I can’t think of something that people need to hear more than this discussion.

BoscoH October 19, 2009 at 4:17 pm

Brilliant. I’m trying to think of a natural experiment for the minimum wage hydraulics. Could you look at first time unemployment claims when state minimum wage hikes kicked in and simultaneously control for the unemployment rate? You’re looking for evidence of churn caused by employers being more selective, right?

Anonymous October 19, 2009 at 8:19 pm

I had this very discussion on facebook several weeks ago. The marginal cost of each additional year of life expectancy is greater than the last, so we inevitably reach the point of diminishing returns. We can’t entitle everyone to every possible year of life, because the price is impossibly high, so death panels aren’t simply a political foil. They’re an unavoidable reality.I prefer decentralized death panels composed of family members and other community members who might contribute care to a sick person, but we’ll have death panels regardless. Someone will decide who gets the scarcest life extension. My counterparts in this discussion accused me of terrible heartlessness, though I wasn’t advocating any particular policy, only describing inescapable realities.The Dorian Gray pill is unrealistic, but we could approach something like it, and this development will affect forcible propriety. It’s not that “the rich” will get the pills. That’s the wrong way of looking at it. Whoever gets the pills, by lottery or beauty contest or whatever, will be the rich, so the question is not: “Do the rich get the pills?”. The question is: “When these pills exist, who becomes rich?”Roberts’ four men in a boat with water for only one is a good analogy. If one of the four men has pockets full of gold, does he simply buy the water? Hardly. The gold weighs him down enough for one of the others to gain the water, and once the man with pockets full gold dies of thirst, this survivor has the gold as well.If we’re literally discussing mortality vs. immortality, the guys closest to the nuclear weapons will get the pills. Productivity, inheritance and fortunate stock picks have nothing to do with it.

Sam Grove October 20, 2009 at 1:56 am

That’s one of those situations where the available water is worth more than the available gold, or any amount of gold.

My counterparts in this discussion accused me of terrible heartlessness, though I wasn’t advocating any particular policy, only describing inescapable realities.

They weren’t hearing what you meant, they heard their interpretation of what you said.

You might try the Socratic approach, elicit their inevitable conclusion with appropriate questions.

Anonymous October 20, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Thinking of what may happen in this situation, if the group, instead of one person, has water for one, what is the solution? Is there a lottery, a drawing of straws? How do you decide who gets the water? That is if we treat the water like as communal property.

Sam Grove October 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm

The members of the group may decide how to choose. Depending on the composition of the group, methods may range from acclamation, to voting, to arm wrestling. This will depend on the values held by the individuals. If one of them is a pregnant woman, the choice may be obvious.

Steve October 20, 2009 at 1:14 am

love Munger… looking forward to this one… great idea for a Munger – Roberts show

Justin P October 20, 2009 at 11:06 pm

What do you say Russ, a Russunger/Munssell tv show anytime soon?

Justin P October 20, 2009 at 11:06 pm

What do you say Russ, a Russunger/Munssell tv show anytime soon?

Justin P October 20, 2009 at 11:06 pm

What do you say Russ, a Russunger/Munssell tv show anytime soon?

Justin P October 20, 2009 at 11:06 pm

What do you say Russ, a Russunger/Munssell tv show anytime soon?

Mike M. October 21, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Russ-

I’m about half way through. Great podcast so far. I was having a conversation with my wife about abortion the other day and (regardless of ones views on the topic) I suggested that one way to drastically reduce the number of abortions was to allow people to profit from having babies. The idea that it can cost $100k or more for adoption is absurd when lots of “inventory” is being destroyed everyday (and yes, I chose that term to be particularly crass).

Justin P October 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm

There are ways to profit but you have to be dependent on the Government already to make the big bucks.

Mike M. October 21, 2009 at 6:37 pm

Well, it’s my understanding that most of the money in private adoptions ends up going to the attorneys with very little making it to the birth mother. I haven’t done enough real research on the topic to find out specifics … just generalities.

Happy to hear more info though if you have some.

Justin P October 22, 2009 at 3:08 am

Lawyers are rent-seekers. That’s how they make the big bucks, how do you think John Edward (D) made all that money, so he could cheat on his wife (with cancer)? Yes yes, I know Edwards was an ambulance chaser but score is the same none the less. I just like to rant against lawyers sometimes. =)

joenorton October 21, 2009 at 11:51 pm

Great EconTalk. Covered stuff I know about the price system, but also dabbled in some higher level stuff about the economics profession as a whole and noted the ‘unseen’ effects which largely go unnoticed. Interesting talk.

Really great Mungercast, as long as you keep making them I’ll keep listening.

Justin P October 22, 2009 at 3:09 am

Really, when it all comes down to it, remember your Bastiat! It’s all about the unseen effects.

Anonymous October 23, 2009 at 2:32 am

Russ,

Your discussion of adjustments to min. wage on other margins was published by Richard McKenzie in 1980 in the Journal of labor Research

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