Comments on: Nanny State on Steroids http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html where orders emerge Mon, 16 Jan 2012 02:06:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186959 Anonymous Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:04:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186959 How ironic that they use a 'sleeping' metaphor! Whenever we 'sleep walk' into conformity and blind acceptance then that surely means we are susceptible to a cult mentality. Just because messages come form 'formal gorvernment' doesn't mean they won't use exactly the same types of social influence techniques that a cult would use to get compliance. Wrapping people up in the warm blanket of the Nanny State is purposely designed to lull us into a sleepy comfort zone so that we become increasingly susceptible to future messages. Stay awake folks! How ironic that they use a ‘sleeping’ metaphor! Whenever we ‘sleep walk’ into conformity and blind acceptance then that surely means we are susceptible to a cult mentality. Just because messages come form ‘formal gorvernment’ doesn’t mean they won’t use exactly the same types of social influence techniques that a cult would use to get compliance. Wrapping people up in the warm blanket of the Nanny State is purposely designed to lull us into a sleepy comfort zone so that we become increasingly susceptible to future messages. Stay awake folks!

]]> By: Mari http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186551 Mari Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:26:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186551 Note the couple is AfroAmerican. If you see another one of these pay special attention to the ethnicity or signals of ethnicity. They are targeting my people. The idea is to battle single motherhood and to do that you gotta try to keep het couples together because married couples tend to use fewer social services than the stressed out single moms and disconnected fathers. Is it any of the govt's buziness? Depends on where you sit on the marriage debates. Really keeping marriages together is organized religion's job (not disorganized religion, don't put them in charge of anything), not the State's. Note the couple is AfroAmerican. If you see another one of these pay special attention to the ethnicity or signals of ethnicity. They are targeting my people. The idea is to battle single motherhood and to do that you gotta try to keep het couples together because married couples tend to use fewer social services than the stressed out single moms and disconnected fathers.
Is it any of the govt’s buziness? Depends on where you sit on the marriage debates. Really keeping marriages together is organized religion’s job (not disorganized religion, don’t put them in charge of anything), not the State’s.

]]> By: David http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186169 David Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:53:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186169 We are all helpless againt the manipulations of advertising- Galbraith said so 50 yrs. ago. How will the DC registrar of marriages cope with the stampede of applicants for marriage licenses that this poster will no doubt initiate? We'll probably need some federal dollars to help the DC muni govt. hire more clerks to deal with the increased demand. See, it's about creating jobs! We are all helpless againt the manipulations of advertising- Galbraith said so 50 yrs. ago. How will the DC registrar of marriages cope with the stampede of applicants for marriage licenses that this poster will no doubt initiate? We’ll probably need some federal dollars to help the DC muni govt. hire more clerks to deal with the increased demand. See, it’s about creating jobs!

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186047 Anonymous Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:34:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186047 That's a laugh. Our taxes went up 11% when we got married, just by switching filing from singly to "married filing whatever". So OF COURSE they want people to get married. Except for low income people. They typically get a tax break when married. Thus all the government programs promoting single motherhood amongst the poor.Politicians are such a disgusting lot. That’s a laugh. Our taxes went up 11% when we got married, just by switching filing from singly to “married filing whatever”. So OF COURSE they want people to get married. Except for low income people. They typically get a tax break when married. Thus all the government programs promoting single motherhood amongst the poor.Politicians are such a disgusting lot.

]]> By: Gil http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186040 Gil Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:46:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186040 Of course, it has been long noted that a toddler has an open mind which rapidly absorbs information and they will anything called "the truth" as trugh. Hence the quote "give me the child's first seven years and he's mine for life". Of course, it has been long noted that a toddler has an open mind which rapidly absorbs information and they will anything called “the truth” as trugh. Hence the quote “give me the child’s first seven years and he’s mine for life”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186029 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:58:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186029 "Find marriage and relationship tools to help you along your path to happily ever after at TwoOfUs.org." The nannystate will make life easy. We will no longer pursue happiness: the government will provide it. “Find marriage and relationship tools to help you along your path to happily ever after at TwoOfUs.org.”

The nannystate will make life easy. We will no longer pursue happiness: the government will provide it.

]]> By: Randy http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186025 Randy Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:25:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186025 The Progressives will find that "educating" parents is far more difficult than "educating" children. In fact, if the parents are forced to really see the type of people they have been subjecting their children to, the fear and loathing they experience will likely result in a backlash the likes of which the Progressives have never seen. The Progressives will find that “educating” parents is far more difficult than “educating” children. In fact, if the parents are forced to really see the type of people they have been subjecting their children to, the fear and loathing they experience will likely result in a backlash the likes of which the Progressives have never seen.

]]> By: stickrouse http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186016 stickrouse Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:09:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186016 In A.D. 2009 War was beginning. Citizen 1: What happen ? Citizen 2: Somebody set us up the twoofus.org Citizen 1: We get signal. Citizen 2: What! Citizen 1: Main screen turn on. Citizen 2: It's you! Bureaucrat: How are you couples? Bureaucrat: All your marriage are belong to us. Bureaucrat: You are on the way to happiness. Citizen 2: What you say !! Bureaucrat: You have no chance to survive make your time. Bureaucrat: Ha ha ha ha... In A.D. 2009

War was beginning.

Citizen 1: What happen ?

Citizen 2: Somebody set us up the twoofus.org

Citizen 1: We get signal.

Citizen 2: What!

Citizen 1: Main screen turn on.

Citizen 2: It’s you!

Bureaucrat: How are you couples?

Bureaucrat: All your marriage are belong to us.

Bureaucrat: You are on the way to happiness.

Citizen 2: What you say !!

Bureaucrat: You have no chance to survive make your time.

Bureaucrat: Ha ha ha ha…

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186015 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:02:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186015 They did indeed take my tax dollars by force, Don. It's worth noting, though, that the absence of ire is not the presence of support. As government intrusions go, this is small but certainly worthy of repudiation, as is any attempt of government to direct family life. But given that this is government trying to be touchy-feely, it's a head-shaker rather than a teeth-grinder. They did indeed take my tax dollars by force, Don. It’s worth noting, though, that the absence of ire is not the presence of support. As government intrusions go, this is small but certainly worthy of repudiation, as is any attempt of government to direct family life. But given that this is government trying to be touchy-feely, it’s a head-shaker rather than a teeth-grinder.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186011 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:36:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186011 What this reminds me of is the government's effort (at the state and local level) to ensconce itself in pre-school*, when there are gazillions of providers out there. *Ignoring for the time being that there is no evidence that sending your kid to school at the age of three does them any good later on. What this reminds me of is the government’s effort (at the state and local level) to ensconce itself in pre-school*, when there are gazillions of providers out there.

*Ignoring for the time being that there is no evidence that sending your kid to school at the age of three does them any good later on.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186010 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:26:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186010 Doesn't government use force to acquire the taxes used to pay for this "public service"?Would it be proper for, say, me to forcibly take money from my neighbor in order to place posters around town encouraging people to love their parents or to care for their pets or to read classic literature? Surely no one objects to these fine proposals. Doesn’t government use force to acquire the taxes used to pay for this “public service”?Would it be proper for, say, me to forcibly take money from my neighbor in order to place posters around town encouraging people to love their parents or to care for their pets or to read classic literature? Surely no one objects to these fine proposals.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186009 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:24:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186009 Tax dollars are being spent on this; there is an infringement rights there because this is well outside the constitutional bounds of the state. Tax dollars are being spent on this; there is an infringement rights there because this is well outside the constitutional bounds of the state.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186007 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:10:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186007 I gotta say I'm with you on the lack of angry reaction. There's no regulation here, no infringement of rights. I do agree that government doesn't need to step into this space, but there's no force involved here. I gotta say I’m with you on the lack of angry reaction. There’s no regulation here, no infringement of rights. I do agree that government doesn’t need to step into this space, but there’s no force involved here.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186005 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:05:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186005 In response to your first question (why is HHS putting this on?), it's actually an institutional response to a lot of great research by conservatives pointing out that changes in family structure are a huge source of poverty and inequality. In that sense, it's somewhat vindicating to see this (it's not often that government actually takes research into account!). In response to your second question (Why is government involvement necessary?) your guess is as good as mine. I have a hard time getting riled up by what essentially amounts to a public service announcement, but I agree with you there's no pressing role or relevance of the state here. In response to your first question (why is HHS putting this on?), it’s actually an institutional response to a lot of great research by conservatives pointing out that changes in family structure are a huge source of poverty and inequality. In that sense, it’s somewhat vindicating to see this (it’s not often that government actually takes research into account!).

In response to your second question (Why is government involvement necessary?) your guess is as good as mine. I have a hard time getting riled up by what essentially amounts to a public service announcement, but I agree with you there’s no pressing role or relevance of the state here.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-186004 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:41:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-186004 "We are government. Resistance is futile. Your property and income will be adapted to service us. " “We are government. Resistance is futile. Your property and income will be adapted to service us. “

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-185999 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:21:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-185999 The totalitarian state marches on. The totalitarian state marches on.

]]> By: JohnK http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-185997 JohnK Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:57:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-185997 I really believe that statism is a religion, with government as the higher power. Political Correctness defines right and wrong, everything is done for the good of the Collective, and there is no greater enemy than the Individual. It all starts with the sentence "We are government". Once the distinction between society and government is broken, the indoctrination can begin. I really believe that statism is a religion, with government as the higher power.

Political Correctness defines right and wrong, everything is done for the good of the Collective, and there is no greater enemy than the Individual.

It all starts with the sentence “We are government”.

Once the distinction between society and government is broken, the indoctrination can begin.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-185990 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:58:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-185990 I've wondered whether the growth of the nanny state means that it will eventually collapse either because of its own weight or due to a backlash against it. I’ve wondered whether the growth of the nanny state means that it will eventually collapse either because of its own weight or due to a backlash against it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-185981 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:35:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-185981 And people wonder why the school roof leaks? And people wonder why the school roof leaks?

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/nanny-state-on-steroids.html/comment-page-1#comment-185979 Anonymous Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=6897#comment-185979 I want my tax dollars back. I want my tax dollars back.

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