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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using China as an example, we see this with the Economist&#039;s Big Mac currency index no?

The one thing that seems to be certain is that for China (or some other country) to peg their currency so that it is undervalued, they MUST be willing to hold the overvalued paper that comes in... The second that they decide that they don&#039;t want the overvalued paper, the currency peg begins to disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using China as an example, we see this with the Economist&#8217;s Big Mac currency index no?</p>
<p>The one thing that seems to be certain is that for China (or some other country) to peg their currency so that it is undervalued, they MUST be willing to hold the overvalued paper that comes in&#8230; The second that they decide that they don&#8217;t want the overvalued paper, the currency peg begins to disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem appropriate.  Don&#039;t feel too bad about it, LCJ -we all make mistakes sometimes  :)  Nobody will hold it against you.

I made a big one on the cash for clunkers post and I learned something from it - there&#039;s always a silver lining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem appropriate.  Don&#8217;t feel too bad about it, LCJ -we all make mistakes sometimes  <img src='http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Nobody will hold it against you.</p>
<p>I made a big one on the cash for clunkers post and I learned something from it &#8211; there&#8217;s always a silver lining.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Seems appropriate to post here.</description>
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<p>Seems appropriate to post here.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/on-undervalued-currency.html/comment-page-1#comment-184456</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a goods and services deficit and there is an imbalance of net exports.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry about it.  That money&#039;ll come back as investment.  Sans capital controls and a loathing of foreign investment, et al, we wouldn&#039;t have to worry so much about currency fluctuations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a goods and services deficit and there is an imbalance of net exports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about it.  That money&#8217;ll come back as investment.  Sans capital controls and a loathing of foreign investment, et al, we wouldn&#8217;t have to worry so much about currency fluctuations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I don&#039;t know the answer in general, but I do know that you&#039;re subject to a monetary authority setting the exchange rate. Why would I assume that you&#039;re ideally free in every other sense? I&#039;m not ideally free on this side of the border, and my state is nominally &quot;liberal&quot; and &quot;democratic&quot;.  Yours is a Communist Party dictatorship. The assumption of some ideal freedom seems absurd on its face.What the market will bear is a product of many forcible constraints. Markets existed in the Soviet Union too. Markets always exist in some sense. The issue is the forcible constraints born by market participants.

What is the market clearing price of a ticket out of Auschwitz? I suppose this question has an answer, but the answer has nothing to do with &quot;free market economics&quot;. If it does, then every economy is a &quot;free market economy&quot;.2. I can&#039;t agree with you here. Again, this system seems roughly equivalent to taxing Chinese factors of production and using the tax revenue to bid the exchange rate down to the fixed level. Would this tax be identical to the Chinese not having their own currency?What does something cost to make? Again, is the &quot;cost&quot; of labor simply the cost of avoiding starvation, or does &quot;cost&quot; mean something else?You&#039;re missing the restraints of trade that you aren&#039;t discussing. You&#039;re assuming that one Chinese merchant&#039;s ability to negotiate a price with one U.S. merchant is the only &quot;freedom&quot; that matters. In reality, countless forces affect the price these two traders negotiate, and these forces aren&#039;t  necessarily what the liberal traditional calls &quot;proper&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I don&#8217;t know the answer in general, but I do know that you&#8217;re subject to a monetary authority setting the exchange rate. Why would I assume that you&#8217;re ideally free in every other sense? I&#8217;m not ideally free on this side of the border, and my state is nominally &#8220;liberal&#8221; and &#8220;democratic&#8221;.  Yours is a Communist Party dictatorship. The assumption of some ideal freedom seems absurd on its face.What the market will bear is a product of many forcible constraints. Markets existed in the Soviet Union too. Markets always exist in some sense. The issue is the forcible constraints born by market participants.</p>
<p>What is the market clearing price of a ticket out of Auschwitz? I suppose this question has an answer, but the answer has nothing to do with &#8220;free market economics&#8221;. If it does, then every economy is a &#8220;free market economy&#8221;.2. I can&#8217;t agree with you here. Again, this system seems roughly equivalent to taxing Chinese factors of production and using the tax revenue to bid the exchange rate down to the fixed level. Would this tax be identical to the Chinese not having their own currency?What does something cost to make? Again, is the &#8220;cost&#8221; of labor simply the cost of avoiding starvation, or does &#8220;cost&#8221; mean something else?You&#8217;re missing the restraints of trade that you aren&#8217;t discussing. You&#8217;re assuming that one Chinese merchant&#8217;s ability to negotiate a price with one U.S. merchant is the only &#8220;freedom&#8221; that matters. In reality, countless forces affect the price these two traders negotiate, and these forces aren&#8217;t  necessarily what the liberal traditional calls &#8220;proper&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said above: &quot;A trade deficit is a country&#039;s exports of goods and services minus it&#039;s imports.&quot;

Global imbalances are generally understood to be persistent trade deficits (that definition is admittedly less formal than the definition of &quot;trade deficit&quot;).

RE: &quot;There is no deficit. And there is no imbalance.&quot;

There is a goods and services deficit and there is an imbalance of net exports.

Re: &quot;Why are you worried about a persistent trade deficit if, AS YOU SAID, one balances goods with money? &quot;

Because persistent deficits carry with them the risk of a swift, violent, currency correction.  If they gradually adjust it&#039;s not as worrisome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said above: &#8220;A trade deficit is a country&#8217;s exports of goods and services minus it&#8217;s imports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Global imbalances are generally understood to be persistent trade deficits (that definition is admittedly less formal than the definition of &#8220;trade deficit&#8221;).</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;There is no deficit. And there is no imbalance.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a goods and services deficit and there is an imbalance of net exports.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;Why are you worried about a persistent trade deficit if, AS YOU SAID, one balances goods with money? &#8221;</p>
<p>Because persistent deficits carry with them the risk of a swift, violent, currency correction.  If they gradually adjust it&#8217;s not as worrisome.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I made no assumptions about to which consumers/producers you were referring, and took your &quot;producers and consumers&quot; comment to mean all producers and consumers.  Which, is what you said, but my apologies for not realizing that you were talking about whichever specific consumers/producers you needed to be talking about in order to make what you said correct.

And for the fourth time, what is a global imbalance?  or a trade deficit?  You said you&#039;re the one here worried about global imbalances, about which you said: &quot;Persistent trade deficits have been labeled &quot;global imbalances&quot;.  And then you said &quot;I suppose you could call a trade deficit a trade imbalance, but it doesn&#039;t make much sense - you balance goods with money.&quot;

Why are you worried about a persistent trade deficit if, AS YOU SAID, one balances goods with money?  There is no deficit.  And there is no imbalance.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I made no assumptions about to which consumers/producers you were referring, and took your &#8220;producers and consumers&#8221; comment to mean all producers and consumers.  Which, is what you said, but my apologies for not realizing that you were talking about whichever specific consumers/producers you needed to be talking about in order to make what you said correct.</p>
<p>And for the fourth time, what is a global imbalance?  or a trade deficit?  You said you&#8217;re the one here worried about global imbalances, about which you said: &#8220;Persistent trade deficits have been labeled &#8220;global imbalances&#8221;.  And then you said &#8220;I suppose you could call a trade deficit a trade imbalance, but it doesn&#8217;t make much sense &#8211; you balance goods with money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why are you worried about a persistent trade deficit if, AS YOU SAID, one balances goods with money?  There is no deficit.  And there is no imbalance.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

1. If I manufacture a shirt in China and export it to the US, how am I not free to charge whatever the market will bear?

2. Fixed exchange rate is, from pricing perspective, identical to the Chinese not having their own currency at all. It is as if the Chinese quote all prices in 1/7 of a US dollar.

If something costs $4 to make, they will sell it for more than $4. If it can be sold only for $4 or less, they will stop making it.

What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>1. If I manufacture a shirt in China and export it to the US, how am I not free to charge whatever the market will bear?</p>
<p>2. Fixed exchange rate is, from pricing perspective, identical to the Chinese not having their own currency at all. It is as if the Chinese quote all prices in 1/7 of a US dollar.</p>
<p>If something costs $4 to make, they will sell it for more than $4. If it can be sold only for $4 or less, they will stop making it.</p>
<p>What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t asserted anything about the capabilities of American manufacturing. I only state that backtracking is not always an option. I&#039;ve argued this case from your side and used the same backtracking argument, so I understand it.To be clear, I&#039;m a free trader myself, as well as a non-interventionist and a unilateral disarmer. I&#039;ve said as much several times in this forum. I debated competitively in school, and we didn&#039;t get to choose our side. We were assigned a side before each debate. It&#039;s good training. I&#039;m now playing devil&#039;s advocate.Products built in the free trading state would be more advanced, in the sense that their market developed later, but a market for these more advanced products doesn&#039;t necessarily survive when a mercantilist state stops subsidizing. Consumers in the free trading state then pay more for the previously subsidized goods and may no longer consume the more advanced goods. That&#039;s the theory anyway.Maybe the free trading state&#039;s lost markets reappear at some point in the future, when productivity increases enough to make the subsidies superfluous, but that&#039;s the long run, when we&#039;re all dead.Reorganization within the free trading state is not simply a matter of backtracking. The free trading state is now somewhere along a developmental trajectory &quot;ahead of&quot; the mercantilist state, but the mercantilist state is not somewhere along the same trajectory at an earlier point. Development doesn&#039;t work that way.Information valuable in the past depreciates and can depreciate all the way to zero value. Wagon wheel making skills aren&#039;t just less valuable than they were a century ago. They&#039;re totally worthless.By the time the free trading state wants to backtrack, earlier points along its developmental trajectory are no longer marketable at all. It must reorganize to produce goods it has never produced before. I&#039;m not suggesting that we all starve to death when the subsidies cease, but reorganizing is not simply a matter of backtracking.I agree that China&#039;s greenbacks will be worth less, but what does that say about our greenbacks? It&#039;s our currency after all. I buy everything in this currency, not only imports.We have the products making our lives easier and more enjoyable as long as we have the subsidized products, but when the subsidies stop, we don&#039;t have the same mix of products. The leading edge of this developmental trajectory is not sustainable.Again, it&#039;s the same argument that Mises and Hayek use to explain the business cycle when interest rates are artificially low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t asserted anything about the capabilities of American manufacturing. I only state that backtracking is not always an option. I&#8217;ve argued this case from your side and used the same backtracking argument, so I understand it.To be clear, I&#8217;m a free trader myself, as well as a non-interventionist and a unilateral disarmer. I&#8217;ve said as much several times in this forum. I debated competitively in school, and we didn&#8217;t get to choose our side. We were assigned a side before each debate. It&#8217;s good training. I&#8217;m now playing devil&#8217;s advocate.Products built in the free trading state would be more advanced, in the sense that their market developed later, but a market for these more advanced products doesn&#8217;t necessarily survive when a mercantilist state stops subsidizing. Consumers in the free trading state then pay more for the previously subsidized goods and may no longer consume the more advanced goods. That&#8217;s the theory anyway.Maybe the free trading state&#8217;s lost markets reappear at some point in the future, when productivity increases enough to make the subsidies superfluous, but that&#8217;s the long run, when we&#8217;re all dead.Reorganization within the free trading state is not simply a matter of backtracking. The free trading state is now somewhere along a developmental trajectory &#8220;ahead of&#8221; the mercantilist state, but the mercantilist state is not somewhere along the same trajectory at an earlier point. Development doesn&#8217;t work that way.Information valuable in the past depreciates and can depreciate all the way to zero value. Wagon wheel making skills aren&#8217;t just less valuable than they were a century ago. They&#8217;re totally worthless.By the time the free trading state wants to backtrack, earlier points along its developmental trajectory are no longer marketable at all. It must reorganize to produce goods it has never produced before. I&#8217;m not suggesting that we all starve to death when the subsidies cease, but reorganizing is not simply a matter of backtracking.I agree that China&#8217;s greenbacks will be worth less, but what does that say about our greenbacks? It&#8217;s our currency after all. I buy everything in this currency, not only imports.We have the products making our lives easier and more enjoyable as long as we have the subsidized products, but when the subsidies stop, we don&#8217;t have the same mix of products. The leading edge of this developmental trajectory is not sustainable.Again, it&#8217;s the same argument that Mises and Hayek use to explain the business cycle when interest rates are artificially low.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hostile to trade&quot;? I think that the more appropriate response is criticism of specific trade practices. Maybe you object to the conclusions on page 42 of the report. They state &quot;China continues to violate its WTO commitment to avoid trade distorting measures&quot;. Further, &quot;Over the past year China has adopted a battery of new laws and policies that may restrict foreign access to China&#039;s markets and protect and assist domestic producers&quot;.As suggested by Mr. Boudreau and yourself I will read The Choice because I firmly believe in free trade and tearing down the tariff and non-tariff barriers that stand in its way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hostile to trade&#8221;? I think that the more appropriate response is criticism of specific trade practices. Maybe you object to the conclusions on page 42 of the report. They state &#8220;China continues to violate its WTO commitment to avoid trade distorting measures&#8221;. Further, &#8220;Over the past year China has adopted a battery of new laws and policies that may restrict foreign access to China&#8217;s markets and protect and assist domestic producers&#8221;.As suggested by Mr. Boudreau and yourself I will read The Choice because I firmly believe in free trade and tearing down the tariff and non-tariff barriers that stand in its way.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;See, when you said that undervaluation acts as a subsidy to consumers, and then you say, gee, how does it help consumers of imports... that is a contradiction. &quot;Since we were talking about the production and consumption of a specific country&#039;s goods it seemed implicit that we were talking about consumers of those goods. Apparently you needed it spelled out for you (several times at this point). You didn&#039;t nitpick to Don when he discussed the gross benefits to both consumers and producers without specifying that he meant the consumers and producers of ICS fair products. Why are you getting so worked up about it when I use the exact same implicit language that Don did? Could it be that you just have a bone to pick? None of these comments of yours have addressed any fundamental points of mine - in fact we&#039;ve clarified that we agree on the only fundamental point you brought up.RE: &quot;And I still don&#039;t know what a global imbalance is. Or a trade deficit. When I trade with someone, it&#039;s just that--trade.&quot;A trade deficit is a country&#039;s exports of goods and services minus it&#039;s imports. You invented the term &quot;trade imbalance&quot;. I wasn&#039;t sure what that meant. People talk about the &quot;trade balance&quot;, which again is exports minus imports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;See, when you said that undervaluation acts as a subsidy to consumers, and then you say, gee, how does it help consumers of imports&#8230; that is a contradiction. &#8220;Since we were talking about the production and consumption of a specific country&#8217;s goods it seemed implicit that we were talking about consumers of those goods. Apparently you needed it spelled out for you (several times at this point). You didn&#8217;t nitpick to Don when he discussed the gross benefits to both consumers and producers without specifying that he meant the consumers and producers of ICS fair products. Why are you getting so worked up about it when I use the exact same implicit language that Don did? Could it be that you just have a bone to pick? None of these comments of yours have addressed any fundamental points of mine &#8211; in fact we&#8217;ve clarified that we agree on the only fundamental point you brought up.RE: &#8220;And I still don&#8217;t know what a global imbalance is. Or a trade deficit. When I trade with someone, it&#8217;s just that&#8211;trade.&#8221;A trade deficit is a country&#8217;s exports of goods and services minus it&#8217;s imports. You invented the term &#8220;trade imbalance&#8221;. I wasn&#8217;t sure what that meant. People talk about the &#8220;trade balance&#8221;, which again is exports minus imports.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesN</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some communities offer &quot;local currency&quot;, sold and accepted only in that community to encourage people to &quot;buy locally&quot;.  This scrip is offered at a discount, say 5%.  You buy $100.00 worth for $95.00, and the merchant exchanges $100.00 worth of scrip for $95.00.  This is an automatic 5% discount on all goods purchased with the scrip.  Does the same dynamic apply here, and is the size of the discount/undervaluation germane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some communities offer &#8220;local currency&#8221;, sold and accepted only in that community to encourage people to &#8220;buy locally&#8221;.  This scrip is offered at a discount, say 5%.  You buy $100.00 worth for $95.00, and the merchant exchanges $100.00 worth of scrip for $95.00.  This is an automatic 5% discount on all goods purchased with the scrip.  Does the same dynamic apply here, and is the size of the discount/undervaluation germane?</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two statements contradict each other because in the first statement you said that undervaluation &quot;does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously).&quot;  In your other statement you said &quot;How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports???&quot;  See, when you said that undervaluation acts as a subsidy to consumers, and then you say, gee, how does it help consumers of imports...  that is a contradiction.  

And I still don&#039;t know what a global imbalance is.  Or a trade deficit.  When I trade with someone, it&#039;s just that--trade.  There&#039;s no &quot;imbalance&quot;.  So if trade is balanced with money, as you said, what is a global imbalance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two statements contradict each other because in the first statement you said that undervaluation &#8220;does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously).&#8221;  In your other statement you said &#8220;How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports???&#8221;  See, when you said that undervaluation acts as a subsidy to consumers, and then you say, gee, how does it help consumers of imports&#8230;  that is a contradiction.  </p>
<p>And I still don&#8217;t know what a global imbalance is.  Or a trade deficit.  When I trade with someone, it&#8217;s just that&#8211;trade.  There&#8217;s no &#8220;imbalance&#8221;.  So if trade is balanced with money, as you said, what is a global imbalance?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>RE: &quot;&quot; it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&quot;

If you can&#039;t see that these statements contradict one another then you&#039;re are either disingenuous or intellectually goofy.&quot;

How do they contradict each other?  When you cut a tax the benefit is shared by producers and consumers.  When you raise a tax the cost is shared by producers and consumers.  Where&#039;s the contradiction, Matt?  Who&#039;s being disingenuous or goofy?

RE: &quot;And ok, so, what&#039;s a global imbalance?&quot;

I defined it in the first sentence of the last paragraph of the comment you just responded to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;&#8221; it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t see that these statements contradict one another then you&#8217;re are either disingenuous or intellectually goofy.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do they contradict each other?  When you cut a tax the benefit is shared by producers and consumers.  When you raise a tax the cost is shared by producers and consumers.  Where&#8217;s the contradiction, Matt?  Who&#8217;s being disingenuous or goofy?</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;And ok, so, what&#8217;s a global imbalance?&#8221;</p>
<p>I defined it in the first sentence of the last paragraph of the comment you just responded to.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/on-undervalued-currency.html/comment-page-1#comment-184420</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports??? I think everyone on here is at a level where I don&#039;t have to spoon-feed that to you, and if anyone is confused they are usually mature enough to ask.&quot;

Let&#039;s try this again.  See the statement above?

You said this earlier:

&quot;I think part of the appeal of undervaluation for countries is that, as you alluded to, it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&quot;

If you can&#039;t see that these statements contradict one another then you&#039;re are either disingenuous or intellectually goofy.

I admit that you later clarified your statement by saying consumers of this country or producers of that country blah blah whatever--but your first statement:

&quot;I think part of the appeal of undervaluation for countries is that, as you alluded to, it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&quot;

cannot be right.  Spoon feed on that smart guy.

And ok, so, what&#039;s a global imbalance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports??? I think everyone on here is at a level where I don&#8217;t have to spoon-feed that to you, and if anyone is confused they are usually mature enough to ask.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try this again.  See the statement above?</p>
<p>You said this earlier:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think part of the appeal of undervaluation for countries is that, as you alluded to, it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t see that these statements contradict one another then you&#8217;re are either disingenuous or intellectually goofy.</p>
<p>I admit that you later clarified your statement by saying consumers of this country or producers of that country blah blah whatever&#8211;but your first statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think part of the appeal of undervaluation for countries is that, as you alluded to, it does act as a subsidy for producers (and consumers as well, obviously)&#8221;</p>
<p>cannot be right.  Spoon feed on that smart guy.</p>
<p>And ok, so, what&#8217;s a global imbalance?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/on-undervalued-currency.html/comment-page-1#comment-184419</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Pt. #1 - I was stating my opinion.

RE: Pt. #2 - I should have said PLEASE read then report, I&#039;m sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Pt. #1 &#8211; I was stating my opinion.</p>
<p>RE: Pt. #2 &#8211; I should have said PLEASE read then report, I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/on-undervalued-currency.html/comment-page-1#comment-184415</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;Forgive LCJ and I for not realizing that when you said &quot;producers... and consumers&quot; you were really saying &quot;some producers... and consumers.&quot;&quot;

How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports???  I think everyone on here is at a level where I don&#039;t have to spoon-feed that to you, and if anyone is confused they are usually mature enough to ask.

RE: &quot;Exactly what is a &quot;trade imbalance&quot;? I don&#039;t think they exist, but I&#039;d like your take.&quot;

Persistent trade deficits have been labeled &quot;global imbalances&quot;.  I don&#039;t know what a trade imbalance is.  I suppose you could call a trade deficit a trade imbalance, but it doesn&#039;t make much sense - you balance goods with money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;Forgive LCJ and I for not realizing that when you said &#8220;producers&#8230; and consumers&#8221; you were really saying &#8220;some producers&#8230; and consumers.&#8221;"</p>
<p>How would an undervalued currency help consumers of imports???  I think everyone on here is at a level where I don&#8217;t have to spoon-feed that to you, and if anyone is confused they are usually mature enough to ask.</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;Exactly what is a &#8220;trade imbalance&#8221;? I don&#8217;t think they exist, but I&#8217;d like your take.&#8221;</p>
<p>Persistent trade deficits have been labeled &#8220;global imbalances&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know what a trade imbalance is.  I suppose you could call a trade deficit a trade imbalance, but it doesn&#8217;t make much sense &#8211; you balance goods with money.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/on-undervalued-currency.html/comment-page-1#comment-184414</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It subsidizes producers of the country&#039;s goods and consumers of the country&#039;s goods but it doesn&#039;t help producers of imports and consumers of imports.&quot;

Ohhhhh, you didn&#039;t make that clear now did you?  Forgive LCJ and I for not realizing that when you said &quot;producers... and consumers&quot; you were really saying &quot;some producers... and consumers.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m usually the one here who&#039;s always concerned about persistent global imbalances&quot;

Exactly what is a &quot;trade imbalance&quot;?  I don&#039;t think they exist, but I&#039;d like your take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It subsidizes producers of the country&#8217;s goods and consumers of the country&#8217;s goods but it doesn&#8217;t help producers of imports and consumers of imports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ohhhhh, you didn&#8217;t make that clear now did you?  Forgive LCJ and I for not realizing that when you said &#8220;producers&#8230; and consumers&#8221; you were really saying &#8220;some producers&#8230; and consumers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m usually the one here who&#8217;s always concerned about persistent global imbalances&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly what is a &#8220;trade imbalance&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t think they exist, but I&#8217;d like your take.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  You get those effects as well.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  You get those effects as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comment.  I agree.  And to think, on some of the smaller items, a price of even one ticket is probably an enormous markup.

Something else I&#039;ve noticed about carnivals is that the game booths accept cash while the rides accept tickets.  I find that interesting.  Perhaps the carnival operators are more concerned about ride operators stealing cash or maybe the game operators get a cut of their haul in such a way that they&#039;re less likely to steal.  Or maybe it&#039;s just a matter that the ride operators are more likely to have their cash aprons pick pocketed as they&#039;re primary concern needs to be on safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment.  I agree.  And to think, on some of the smaller items, a price of even one ticket is probably an enormous markup.</p>
<p>Something else I&#8217;ve noticed about carnivals is that the game booths accept cash while the rides accept tickets.  I find that interesting.  Perhaps the carnival operators are more concerned about ride operators stealing cash or maybe the game operators get a cut of their haul in such a way that they&#8217;re less likely to steal.  Or maybe it&#8217;s just a matter that the ride operators are more likely to have their cash aprons pick pocketed as they&#8217;re primary concern needs to be on safety.</p>
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