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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187609</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the military is one of the most socialist of organizations, this seems both illustrative and appropriate. </description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the military is one of the most socialist of organizations, this seems both illustrative and appropriate. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the military is one of the most socialist of organizations, this seems both illustrative and appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187579</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is insane to generalize a risk-benefit analysis. You put it very well Don.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is insane to generalize a risk-benefit analysis. You put it very well Don.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187570</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truthful answer will probably be decided by determining whether or not the engagers of such activities are likely to vote, and if so, will forbiding their activities result in enough votes to affect an election.The cynical answer should be whether or not accidents -- while engaged in these particular activities -- result in frequent fatality. Because if they typically result in fatality more so than just injury (serious or otherwise), it may make sense to allow the deaths in order to possibly change the future Social Security benefits of that person and their family and also trigger taxable events to boost revenue to Leviathan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truthful answer will probably be decided by determining whether or not the engagers of such activities are likely to vote, and if so, will forbiding their activities result in enough votes to affect an election.The cynical answer should be whether or not accidents &#8212; while engaged in these particular activities &#8212; result in frequent fatality. Because if they typically result in fatality more so than just injury (serious or otherwise), it may make sense to allow the deaths in order to possibly change the future Social Security benefits of that person and their family and also trigger taxable events to boost revenue to Leviathan.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187566</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the sci-fi movie &quot;Logan&#039;s Run,&quot; to avoid the drain on society, all persons participated in a &quot;lottery&quot; when they turned thirty. The lottery was for life extension, but nobody won. All people except top government officials were exterminated at age 30. Children were raised in creches, so there was no concern about orphans. We seem to be taking steps in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the sci-fi movie &#8220;Logan&#8217;s Run,&#8221; to avoid the drain on society, all persons participated in a &#8220;lottery&#8221; when they turned thirty. The lottery was for life extension, but nobody won. All people except top government officials were exterminated at age 30. Children were raised in creches, so there was no concern about orphans. We seem to be taking steps in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveO</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187565</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Of course. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Of course.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187564</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the other point is stress is &quot;safe compared to what&quot;? Here the govt. is prohibiting e-cigs because they&#039;re not proven safe, so people presumably will instead continue to smoke regular tobacco cigs...Does the FDA really think e-cigs are LESS safe than regular ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the other point is stress is &#8220;safe compared to what&#8221;? Here the govt. is prohibiting e-cigs because they&#8217;re not proven safe, so people presumably will instead continue to smoke regular tobacco cigs&#8230;Does the FDA really think e-cigs are LESS safe than regular ones?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnK</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187560</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Surely somebody from our all-caring gov&#039;t will come along and make these case that since the gov&#039;t is footing the bill for the medical care, we shouldn&#039;t be able to participate in such &quot;unsafe&quot; activites.


What about making the case that since government is footing the bill for medical care, that it is the duty of government to &quot;cure&quot; preventable diseases resulting from bad diet and insufficient exercise?

What about making the case that it should be a crime to disobey the orders of a doctor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Surely somebody from our all-caring gov&#8217;t will come along and make these case that since the gov&#8217;t is footing the bill for the medical care, we shouldn&#8217;t be able to participate in such &#8220;unsafe&#8221; activites.</p>
<p>What about making the case that since government is footing the bill for medical care, that it is the duty of government to &#8220;cure&#8221; preventable diseases resulting from bad diet and insufficient exercise?</p>
<p>What about making the case that it should be a crime to disobey the orders of a doctor?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187557</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pauliv,

The military already does this.  High risk activities by military members must be reported and approved.  The logic is much as you suggest.  They have a financial stake in you, so they have a right to judge and control your off duty activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pauliv,</p>
<p>The military already does this.  High risk activities by military members must be reported and approved.  The logic is much as you suggest.  They have a financial stake in you, so they have a right to judge and control your off duty activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe we should &#039;encourage&#039; activities that reduce lifespan, and therefore lifetime costs&quot;

Only for low earners.  I would think that the State would need the income from high earners.  i.e. &quot;Yes Mr. Jones, I realize you have made a fortune and paid a significant portion of in into the healthcare of the nation, but we just can&#039;t allow you to fly your own airplane.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe we should &#8216;encourage&#8217; activities that reduce lifespan, and therefore lifetime costs&#8221;</p>
<p>Only for low earners.  I would think that the State would need the income from high earners.  i.e. &#8220;Yes Mr. Jones, I realize you have made a fortune and paid a significant portion of in into the healthcare of the nation, but we just can&#8217;t allow you to fly your own airplane.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187547</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine time and motion studies for every human activity; that is certainly one possible dystopian possibility we are headed towards.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine time and motion studies for every human activity; that is certainly one possible dystopian possibility we are headed towards.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187546</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187545</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of the societal costs of your risk-taking!

You are a burden in waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of the societal costs of your risk-taking!</p>
<p>You are a burden in waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveO</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187544</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Pauliv.

I had this same thought. Although the argument could go either way. Maybe we should &quot;encourage&quot; activities that reduce lifespan, and therefore lifetime costs. Or maybe we should &quot;discourage&quot; activities that increase cost, but &quot;encourage&quot; drastic activities likely to severely cut lifespan. 

The specific strategic and tactical moves and arguments can get absurd; which points to the essential premise, &quot;Who has the moral domain to make these decisions?&quot;

The answer should always be the individual (and/or those the individual CHOOSES to associate with), and free markets are the best (I didn&#039;t say perfect) mechanism to allow that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Pauliv.</p>
<p>I had this same thought. Although the argument could go either way. Maybe we should &#8220;encourage&#8221; activities that reduce lifespan, and therefore lifetime costs. Or maybe we should &#8220;discourage&#8221; activities that increase cost, but &#8220;encourage&#8221; drastic activities likely to severely cut lifespan. </p>
<p>The specific strategic and tactical moves and arguments can get absurd; which points to the essential premise, &#8220;Who has the moral domain to make these decisions?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer should always be the individual (and/or those the individual CHOOSES to associate with), and free markets are the best (I didn&#8217;t say perfect) mechanism to allow that.</p>
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		<title>By: pauliv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pauliv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You laugh, but are activities that aren&#039;t considered &quot;safe&quot; by the nannies in chief going to result in higher costs/premiums under the apparently inevitable socialized medicine system?  Or will those activities simply be outlawed?  I am thinking of things like riding motorcycles, rock climbing (see above), smoking, or simply watching too much tv.  Surely somebody from our all-caring gov&#039;t will come along and make these case that since the gov&#039;t is footing the bill for the medical care, we shouldn&#039;t be able to participate in such &quot;unsafe&quot; activites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You laugh, but are activities that aren&#8217;t considered &#8220;safe&#8221; by the nannies in chief going to result in higher costs/premiums under the apparently inevitable socialized medicine system?  Or will those activities simply be outlawed?  I am thinking of things like riding motorcycles, rock climbing (see above), smoking, or simply watching too much tv.  Surely somebody from our all-caring gov&#8217;t will come along and make these case that since the gov&#8217;t is footing the bill for the medical care, we shouldn&#8217;t be able to participate in such &#8220;unsafe&#8221; activites.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187540</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a lifetime mountaineer I expect my avocation by choice to be banned at any time by the nanny staters.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lifetime mountaineer I expect my avocation by choice to be banned at any time by the nanny staters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187539</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put. As a skydiver, twice injured in botched (but completely legal) landings, I can only laugh at the safety police hysterical over e-cigarettes. Look for the makers of far more toxic, conventional cigarettes to join the hysterical chorus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put. As a skydiver, twice injured in botched (but completely legal) landings, I can only laugh at the safety police hysterical over e-cigarettes. Look for the makers of far more toxic, conventional cigarettes to join the hysterical chorus.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/10/whats-safe.html/comment-page-1#comment-187531</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

You make the common mistake of believing that the choice is yours to make.  You are no longer an individual.  The powers that be have declared that you belong to &quot;society&quot; now, and because they claim the right to speak for &quot;society&quot;, they therefore speak for you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>You make the common mistake of believing that the choice is yours to make.  You are no longer an individual.  The powers that be have declared that you belong to &#8220;society&#8221; now, and because they claim the right to speak for &#8220;society&#8221;, they therefore speak for you.</p>
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