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	<title>Comments on: A Reflection on Insider Trading and Confidence in Markets</title>
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		<title>By: mandeville</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/a-reflection-on-insider-trading-and-confidence-in-markets.html/comment-page-2#comment-70010</link>
		<dc:creator>mandeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regulating insider trading is nonsense. People who advocate it are &quot;conditioned&quot; to think its fair, when it&#039;s the exact opposite. All human action is based on the specific information people hold. It is not immoral that this information is unevenly distributed. The attempt to regulate the distribution of information is futile as well as immoral.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if you outlaw insider trading, some people still receive the information faster than others when it is released. Using the logic of the regulators, shouldn&#039;t that be unfair too?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Insider and outsider trading have no effect on long term stock valuations. The only thing they affect are the names on the stock certificates. People who have positioned themselves to know more than others should be allowed to invest in their knowledge. No one has a right to equal information just like they don&#039;t have a right to equal property or education.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Short of signing confidentially contracts, insider trading is a property right. Arguing for laws against this right would be similar to establishing &quot;fair exchange bureaus&quot; or a &quot;just price&quot; for goods and services, and are idiotic. People don&#039;t have a right to equal knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regulating insider trading is nonsense. People who advocate it are &#8220;conditioned&#8221; to think its fair, when it&#39;s the exact opposite. All human action is based on the specific information people hold. It is not immoral that this information is unevenly distributed. The attempt to regulate the distribution of information is futile as well as immoral.</p>
<p>Even if you outlaw insider trading, some people still receive the information faster than others when it is released. Using the logic of the regulators, shouldn&#39;t that be unfair too?</p>
<p>Insider and outsider trading have no effect on long term stock valuations. The only thing they affect are the names on the stock certificates. People who have positioned themselves to know more than others should be allowed to invest in their knowledge. No one has a right to equal information just like they don&#39;t have a right to equal property or education.</p>
<p>Short of signing confidentially contracts, insider trading is a property right. Arguing for laws against this right would be similar to establishing &#8220;fair exchange bureaus&#8221; or a &#8220;just price&#8221; for goods and services, and are idiotic. People don&#39;t have a right to equal knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wouldn&#039;t happen because I would do my due diligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wouldn&#39;t happen because I would do my due diligence.</p>
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		<title>By: mesaeconoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesaeconoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the sentiment of this piece, theoretically &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Theoretically speaking, it seems like a very obvious theoretical improvement to our current situation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Information asymmetry is best resolved, theoretically, of course, by marketplace negotiation and price discovery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In theory, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sentiment of this piece, theoretically </p>
<p>Theoretically speaking, it seems like a very obvious theoretical improvement to our current situation.</p>
<p>I </p>
<p>Information asymmetry is best resolved, theoretically, of course, by marketplace negotiation and price discovery.</p>
<p>In theory, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I sell you a business for $50k and I know that the books are cooked and it&#039;s worth only $5k, would you still claim that allowing me that trade is beneficial to all (me and you)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I sell you a business for $50k and I know that the books are cooked and it&#39;s worth only $5k, would you still claim that allowing me that trade is beneficial to all (me and you)?</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/a-reflection-on-insider-trading-and-confidence-in-markets.html/comment-page-2#comment-69884</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I wouldn&#039;t argue that it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; to get information via insider trades.  But, with fraud, that&#039;s pretty much the only way you&#039;ll get the information&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Usually when companies get approval, they release that information right away.  I&#039;m not sure exactly how the notification process works, but the company will only hold onto the information long enough to write a press release and for the trading day to be over.  Of course, that doesn&#039;t always stop someone at the FDA trading on that information before it&#039;s even released to the public or a senator.  The senator can trade with impunity since insider trading rules don&#039;t apply to politicians.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, companies generally frown upon insiders trading on material information.  Many companies - particularly certain financial firms - have policies about trading &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; stock at all.  Those rules are the creation of the company and employees who break them risk their jobs.  In fact, when I worked for such a company, my husband absentmindedly bought shares in one of our accounts without first asking my firm for permission.  I was hauled into the CEO&#039;s office and my job was spared only because it was pretty obvious I wasn&#039;t aware of the oversight and the stock had no connection to our firm whatsoever.  I have no problem with company imposed insider rules - which I think work better anyway.  I take issue with the SEC&#039;s rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I wouldn&#39;t argue that it&#39;s <i>better</i> to get information via insider trades.  But, with fraud, that&#39;s pretty much the only way you&#39;ll get the information</p>
<p>Usually when companies get approval, they release that information right away.  I&#39;m not sure exactly how the notification process works, but the company will only hold onto the information long enough to write a press release and for the trading day to be over.  Of course, that doesn&#39;t always stop someone at the FDA trading on that information before it&#39;s even released to the public or a senator.  The senator can trade with impunity since insider trading rules don&#39;t apply to politicians.</p>
<p>Also, companies generally frown upon insiders trading on material information.  Many companies &#8211; particularly certain financial firms &#8211; have policies about trading <i>any</i> stock at all.  Those rules are the creation of the company and employees who break them risk their jobs.  In fact, when I worked for such a company, my husband absentmindedly bought shares in one of our accounts without first asking my firm for permission.  I was hauled into the CEO&#39;s office and my job was spared only because it was pretty obvious I wasn&#39;t aware of the oversight and the stock had no connection to our firm whatsoever.  I have no problem with company imposed insider rules &#8211; which I think work better anyway.  I take issue with the SEC&#39;s rule.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Lenze</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J. Lenze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks, I agree that there are reasons to delay announcing news.  I&#039;m just saying that allowing insider training might provide company leaders another reason.  Wouldn&#039;t you agree that anytime news is delayed it&#039;s bad for investors?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where I don&#039;t agree with you is that seeing what insiders are doing in the market or seeing how a company&#039;s stock reacts to what insiders are doing is better than knowing the actual reason, the news itself, that insiders are doing what they&#039;re doing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me give you an example.  Say the drug company has an experimental drug going through FDA approval.  They get that approval at 5pm one evening, but instead of immediately accouncing this, they wait 24 hours and, during that period, buy as much company stock as possible.  In response to all this buying, the company&#039;s stock rises, and alert investors might notice all the buy orders and the rising stock price and guess that FDA approval happened.  But that&#039;s a GUESS and, while valuable, it&#039;s not as valuable as KNOWING what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks, I agree that there are reasons to delay announcing news.  I&#39;m just saying that allowing insider training might provide company leaders another reason.  Wouldn&#39;t you agree that anytime news is delayed it&#39;s bad for investors?</p>
<p>Where I don&#39;t agree with you is that seeing what insiders are doing in the market or seeing how a company&#39;s stock reacts to what insiders are doing is better than knowing the actual reason, the news itself, that insiders are doing what they&#39;re doing.</p>
<p>Let me give you an example.  Say the drug company has an experimental drug going through FDA approval.  They get that approval at 5pm one evening, but instead of immediately accouncing this, they wait 24 hours and, during that period, buy as much company stock as possible.  In response to all this buying, the company&#39;s stock rises, and alert investors might notice all the buy orders and the rising stock price and guess that FDA approval happened.  But that&#39;s a GUESS and, while valuable, it&#39;s not as valuable as KNOWING what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.J., sometimes it&#039;s not possible to announce the information because a deal is being struck and nothing can be announced until it&#039;s done.  Sometimes the company wants time to prepare for a conference call. Nobody wants to stop the trading day to blurt out announcements and run conference calls.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, the most valuable information insiders bring to the market, IMO, is information that will NEVER be publicly announced until it&#039;s too late - fraud. Yes, it would be better if they announced the fraud to everyone, but that would sort of defeat the purpose of defrauding people in the first place and criminals don&#039;t like to shine spotlights on their activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.J., sometimes it&#39;s not possible to announce the information because a deal is being struck and nothing can be announced until it&#39;s done.  Sometimes the company wants time to prepare for a conference call. Nobody wants to stop the trading day to blurt out announcements and run conference calls.  </p>
<p>But, the most valuable information insiders bring to the market, IMO, is information that will NEVER be publicly announced until it&#39;s too late &#8211; fraud. Yes, it would be better if they announced the fraud to everyone, but that would sort of defeat the purpose of defrauding people in the first place and criminals don&#39;t like to shine spotlights on their activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of things are unfair, Curious.   Allowing insiders to trade is more beneficial to all market participants and that&#039;s what matters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry, but economiser is not the one missing the point.  If we had to eliminate everything that is &quot;unfair&quot; in the world, we&#039;d have to nuke the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of things are unfair, Curious.   Allowing insiders to trade is more beneficial to all market participants and that&#39;s what matters.</p>
<p>Sorry, but economiser is not the one missing the point.  If we had to eliminate everything that is &#8220;unfair&#8221; in the world, we&#39;d have to nuke the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/a-reflection-on-insider-trading-and-confidence-in-markets.html/comment-page-2#comment-69872</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people would have been spared their fortune if some insider clued the public in to the accounting fraud it was engaged in?  Nobody at WorldCom had plans to ever reveal that fraud.  An insider was the only way the market was going to find out about it before the company completely blew up because the shift of expenses from the income statement and into capex was not information available in public disclosures.  You HAD to be an insider to know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people would have been spared their fortune if some insider clued the public in to the accounting fraud it was engaged in?  Nobody at WorldCom had plans to ever reveal that fraud.  An insider was the only way the market was going to find out about it before the company completely blew up because the shift of expenses from the income statement and into capex was not information available in public disclosures.  You HAD to be an insider to know that.</p>
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		<title>By: LAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that investors would have more confidence. In a race to the broker, the insiders would always get there before the third party shareholder.  That being the case, even the most educated investor would be a fool to invest without insider status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that investors would have more confidence. In a race to the broker, the insiders would always get there before the third party shareholder.  That being the case, even the most educated investor would be a fool to invest without insider status.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/a-reflection-on-insider-trading-and-confidence-in-markets.html/comment-page-2#comment-69859</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economiser, you&#039;re missing the point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having access to the same information, levels the playing field and makes it a fair play.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether you&#039;re good at analyzing that information or whether you have time to analyze it, is irrelevant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Insiders have access to information that nobody else has. That makes it unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economiser, you&#39;re missing the point.</p>
<p>Having access to the same information, levels the playing field and makes it a fair play.</p>
<p>Whether you&#39;re good at analyzing that information or whether you have time to analyze it, is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Insiders have access to information that nobody else has. That makes it unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: denisehubbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>denisehubbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SEC may be finally doing something proactive. Just read SEC requested a copy of STOCK SHOCK--new movie about market manipulation and naked short selling of Sirius XM stock (among others). Amazon has the movie on DVD, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://stockshockmovie.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stockshockmovie.com&lt;/a&gt; has it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SEC may be finally doing something proactive. Just read SEC requested a copy of STOCK SHOCK&#8211;new movie about market manipulation and naked short selling of Sirius XM stock (among others). Amazon has the movie on DVD, or <a href="http://stockshockmovie.com" rel="nofollow">stockshockmovie.com</a> has it.</p>
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		<title>By: Economiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because information is never equal (whether inside or not). Even absent inside information there&#039;s a lot of knowledge to be gained by trade orders and their effects.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some participants are really good at analyzing publicly available financial information and can come up with a better estimate of fair value than I can (e.g., Warren Buffett). Some participants have more time than I do to parse through publicly-available financial data (e.g., anyone employed full-time as an analyst). Some participants are better-trained and smarter than I am. All of their trades move the stock&#039;s price and are valuable information for me, just as my trades are valuable to other people. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fair value calculations don&#039;t operate in a vacuum. If I do all the research I can and come up with a fair value of $5 for a stock, but it&#039;s historically always been trading at $50, that fact makes me cast doubt on my own analysis. Maybe I&#039;m right in the end, or maybe I&#039;m missing something big about that company. Either way a difference that big would give me pause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because information is never equal (whether inside or not). Even absent inside information there&#39;s a lot of knowledge to be gained by trade orders and their effects.  </p>
<p>Some participants are really good at analyzing publicly available financial information and can come up with a better estimate of fair value than I can (e.g., Warren Buffett). Some participants have more time than I do to parse through publicly-available financial data (e.g., anyone employed full-time as an analyst). Some participants are better-trained and smarter than I am. All of their trades move the stock&#39;s price and are valuable information for me, just as my trades are valuable to other people. </p>
<p>Fair value calculations don&#39;t operate in a vacuum. If I do all the research I can and come up with a fair value of $5 for a stock, but it&#39;s historically always been trading at $50, that fact makes me cast doubt on my own analysis. Maybe I&#39;m right in the end, or maybe I&#39;m missing something big about that company. Either way a difference that big would give me pause.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Lenze</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J. Lenze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article makes a good case for insider trading being a good thing in certain situations.  But what if an insider has information that he plans to announce.  If insider trading is allowed, wouldn&#039;t it be possible that he would delay the announcement to give himself and his friends a chance to act on the information BEFORE other non-insiders do.  Yes, these actions would cause a stock to better reflect the information, i.e. the stock would go up if the news is good and the insiders buy or would go down if the news is bad and the insiders sell or short.  And I know that this has been documented in many cases where information has been withheld from the public.  But it seems to me that the stock&#039;s price would reflect its value EVEN BETTER if the information were announced rather than delayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article makes a good case for insider trading being a good thing in certain situations.  But what if an insider has information that he plans to announce.  If insider trading is allowed, wouldn&#39;t it be possible that he would delay the announcement to give himself and his friends a chance to act on the information BEFORE other non-insiders do.  Yes, these actions would cause a stock to better reflect the information, i.e. the stock would go up if the news is good and the insiders buy or would go down if the news is bad and the insiders sell or short.  And I know that this has been documented in many cases where information has been withheld from the public.  But it seems to me that the stock&#39;s price would reflect its value EVEN BETTER if the information were announced rather than delayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a strict value perspective, the good/bad determination of insider trading should compare the time of transaction to the time of information disclosure. If you believe that inside information will eventually become public, it is better to know it sooner rather than later because a buyer will eventually feel the effects and a seller can never know whether there is pertinent information percolating behind the scenes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand that &quot;getting duped&quot; weighs heavily on the person it happens to, but that event seems likely to happen anyway and more people are &quot;duped&quot; when valuable information is withheld from the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a strict value perspective, the good/bad determination of insider trading should compare the time of transaction to the time of information disclosure. If you believe that inside information will eventually become public, it is better to know it sooner rather than later because a buyer will eventually feel the effects and a seller can never know whether there is pertinent information percolating behind the scenes.</p>
<p>I understand that &#8220;getting duped&#8221; weighs heavily on the person it happens to, but that event seems likely to happen anyway and more people are &#8220;duped&#8221; when valuable information is withheld from the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absent insider trading, price and volume reveals nothing about fundamentals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If no trader is allowed to trade based on new fundamental information, how can trading reveal anything about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absent insider trading, price and volume reveals nothing about fundamentals.</p>
<p>If no trader is allowed to trade based on new fundamental information, how can trading reveal anything about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you buy a few shares in a company that has mllions and millions of shares then how are you not a gambler?  At least those who have sizeable share holdings of a particular company have some management control.  At least the casinos have drinks to help people fritter away their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you buy a few shares in a company that has mllions and millions of shares then how are you not a gambler?  At least those who have sizeable share holdings of a particular company have some management control.  At least the casinos have drinks to help people fritter away their money.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. No. No.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Confidence in the market is very important, it is what allows people to participate in the market. Why would anyone bother playing a game they cant win? If the big gains are going to be had by those with inside knowledge, and ordinary people cannot attain inside knowledge, then they are going to lose out. Their potential for outperformance would be reduced significantly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another problem is that you assume that the information temporarily on the &quot;inside&quot; will be reflected accurately in the price once it is made public. More often it is not. The price is more likely to over shoot the real price.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally what makes you think that participants in the market want accurate prices when they invest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. No. No.</p>
<p>Confidence in the market is very important, it is what allows people to participate in the market. Why would anyone bother playing a game they cant win? If the big gains are going to be had by those with inside knowledge, and ordinary people cannot attain inside knowledge, then they are going to lose out. Their potential for outperformance would be reduced significantly.</p>
<p>Another problem is that you assume that the information temporarily on the &#8220;inside&#8221; will be reflected accurately in the price once it is made public. More often it is not. The price is more likely to over shoot the real price.</p>
<p>Finally what makes you think that participants in the market want accurate prices when they invest?</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fair value is based on fundamentals. It has nothing to do with trading price or how large order somebody submitted.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True.  However, what the large trade is telling you is that the fundamentals might have changed while you weren&#039;t looking.  Fundamentals change as new information is revealed.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;but those valuations are based on identical information - fair play.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Completely untrue.  Information in the market is never identical and rarely do people have the same information at the same time. Information is discovered and one process of discovery is through the process of trading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Fair value is based on fundamentals. It has nothing to do with trading price or how large order somebody submitted.</i></p>
<p>True.  However, what the large trade is telling you is that the fundamentals might have changed while you weren&#39;t looking.  Fundamentals change as new information is revealed.  </p>
<p><i>but those valuations are based on identical information &#8211; fair play.</i></p>
<p>Completely untrue.  Information in the market is never identical and rarely do people have the same information at the same time. Information is discovered and one process of discovery is through the process of trading.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the responses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fair value is based on fundamentals. It has nothing to do with trading price or how large order somebody submitted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, people can come up with different fair value (somebody is buying at $50 and somebody is selling at $50) but those valuations are based on identical information - fair play.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not so with insiders using privileged information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the responses.</p>
<p>Fair value is based on fundamentals. It has nothing to do with trading price or how large order somebody submitted.</p>
<p>Yes, people can come up with different fair value (somebody is buying at $50 and somebody is selling at $50) but those valuations are based on identical information &#8211; fair play.</p>
<p>Not so with insiders using privileged information.</p>
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