Comments on: Degrees saved or created http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html where orders emerge Mon, 16 Jan 2012 02:06:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190173 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:06:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190173 No the science IS settled. Nature knows exactly how she will respond to our increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. All our debating WILL NOT change her position one bit. No the science IS settled. Nature knows exactly how she will respond to our increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. All our debating WILL NOT change her position one bit.

]]> By: Justin P http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190149 Justin P Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190149 Oh so the science isn't settled then? Interesting! Oh so the science isn’t settled then? Interesting!

]]> By: Justin P http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190147 Justin P Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:21:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190147 You obviously lost my point. You claim that you do not respect source that don't buy into AGW, so I reject yours on the same merit. Much of what you said above can be said of you as well. I figured a "Dr" would be smart enough to realize that. You obviously lost my point. You claim that you do not respect source that don’t buy into AGW, so I reject yours on the same merit.

Much of what you said above can be said of you as well. I figured a “Dr” would be smart enough to realize that.

]]> By: Justin P http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190146 Justin P Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:20:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190146 Good question. Ask Muir that question too. In fact that already happened, that's why Hansen had a little fun fudging the numbers. Once that came out, I really do find it hard to believe the AGW claims. They have already shown that they won't let a little thing like data get in the way of their claims. The trust, if there was any, is broken and I for one will not trust their numbers anymore. As I scientist in a Gov run lab, I see how easily a little "number fudging" is done, so that's why I'm so skeptical of anything done by the gov and gov funded research. Good question. Ask Muir that question too.

In fact that already happened, that’s why Hansen had a little fun fudging the numbers. Once that came out, I really do find it hard to believe the AGW claims. They have already shown that they won’t let a little thing like data get in the way of their claims. The trust, if there was any, is broken and I for one will not trust their numbers anymore. As I scientist in a Gov run lab, I see how easily a little “number fudging” is done, so that’s why I’m so skeptical of anything done by the gov and gov funded research.

]]> By: SteveO http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190145 SteveO Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:18:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190145 ;-) ;-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190142 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:51:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190142 Absolutely. I'd never claim to disprove it. I'd give arguments for being suspicious of the claim. That's all we can ever do. Absolutely. I’d never claim to disprove it. I’d give arguments for being suspicious of the claim. That’s all we can ever do.

]]> By: David http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190141 David Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190141 I think it's irrational to accept any counterfactuals as truth or representing truth. They are simply hypotheses. I could say that the stimulus has destroyed or prevented five million jobs. Why don't you accept that? You certainly can't disprove it. I think it’s irrational to accept any counterfactuals as truth or representing truth. They are simply hypotheses. I could say that the stimulus has destroyed or prevented five million jobs. Why don’t you accept that? You certainly can’t disprove it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190139 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:37:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190139 Do get off your high horse. And if you are going to address my comments, then you know, address them. Do get off your high horse.

And if you are going to address my comments, then you know, address them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190136 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:16:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190136 "I basically maintain my position ...." But of course you do. As it is the comfortable position for you to maintain. And this is mostly about your comfort levels. So stick to it. “I basically maintain my position ….”

But of course you do. As it is the comfortable position for you to maintain. And this is mostly about your comfort levels. So stick to it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190135 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:13:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190135 The data set I am using is global, uses surfaces records and covers over 100 years. The one you choose to believe is only for the troposophere above the tropics and covers 30 years of data only. Looking for the right data set to support your predrawn conclusion is called data mining... it's really unprofessional and admission that the general data doesn't support your claims. The data set I am using is global, uses surfaces records and covers over 100 years.

The one you choose to believe is only for the troposophere above the tropics and covers 30 years of data only.

Looking for the right data set to support your predrawn conclusion is called data mining… it’s really unprofessional and admission that the general data doesn’t support your claims.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190133 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:51:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190133 Since that particular blog does provide the length and breadth of opinion by climate scientists on the issue, it is not the final authority on anything. Since that particular blog does provide the length and breadth of opinion by climate scientists on the issue, it is not the final authority on anything.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190132 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:50:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190132 Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me. Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190124 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:22:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190124 Because the people who blog there actually are climate scientist and publish in peer reviewed journals. Oh yeah... "peer reveiwed" apparently another libertarian bad word...never mind then. You are right YOU shouldn't trust them because you won't like what they have to say. And I'm sure that's reason enough for you. Because the people who blog there actually are climate scientist and publish in peer reviewed journals.

Oh yeah… “peer reveiwed” apparently another libertarian bad word…never mind then. You are right YOU shouldn’t trust them because you won’t like what they have to say. And I’m sure that’s reason enough for you.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190120 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:10:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190120 When looking at the data trends...YOU'RE RIGHT!!!!! Basically every climatological trend I can think of is consistent with global warming. -Surface trends; 3 independent compilations that each show the same thing - Satellite trends - Sonde baloon trends - Alpine glacial trends - Percipitation trends - Hydrological trends - Arctic ice trends - Arctic river flow trends - Pan evaporation trends - Ocean temperature trends - Large lake temperature trends ( Tahoe, Tanganika, Bakail) - Drought trends - heating day and cooling day trends - record heat trends - record cold trends - snow line trends - Lake freeze/ thaw trends - permafrost trends - Earthshine trends - Spectrophotometric trends - surface skin layer trends - spring budding trends - migratory trends - atmospheriic moisture trends - cloud trends - increased snow accumulation over the Antarctic and Upper elevations of Greenland do to increased moisture and precipitation. - precipitation trends - sea level rise trends - atmospheric shirkage trends - stratospheric temperature trends - sea surface barometric pressure trends When looking at the data trends…YOU’RE RIGHT!!!!!

Basically every climatological trend I can think of is consistent with global warming.
-Surface trends; 3 independent compilations that each show the same thing
- Satellite trends
- Sonde baloon trends
- Alpine glacial trends
- Percipitation trends
- Hydrological trends
- Arctic ice trends
- Arctic river flow trends
- Pan evaporation trends
- Ocean temperature trends
- Large lake temperature trends ( Tahoe, Tanganika, Bakail)
- Drought trends
- heating day and cooling day trends
- record heat trends
- record cold trends
- snow line trends
- Lake freeze/ thaw trends
- permafrost trends
- Earthshine trends
- Spectrophotometric trends
- surface skin layer trends
- spring budding trends
- migratory trends
- atmospheriic moisture trends
- cloud trends
- increased snow accumulation over the Antarctic and Upper elevations of Greenland do to increased moisture and precipitation.
- precipitation trends
- sea level rise trends
- atmospheric shirkage trends
- stratospheric temperature trends
- sea surface barometric pressure trends

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190119 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:59:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190119 Sounds like a severe case of torticollis you have there! You should get that checked. Sounds like a severe case of torticollis you have there! You should get that checked.

]]> By: Metre http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190113 Metre Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:36:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190113 What would you do if they did and it didn't conform to your preconceived notions? What would you do if they did and it didn’t conform to your preconceived notions?

]]> By: Anonymous http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190106 Anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190106 I completely agree with you. I completely agree with you.

]]> By: Justin P http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190086 Justin P Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190086 http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf Imagine that! My papers says the models don't fit with reality. I wonder what data set your graph is using? Could you be using Hansen, fudged data? Something seems fishy. http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf

Imagine that! My papers says the models don’t fit with reality. I wonder what data set your graph is using? Could you be using Hansen, fudged data? Something seems fishy.

]]> By: Justin P http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190085 Justin P Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:09:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190085 Realclimate is an AGW site...why should I listen to your sources? Realclimate is an AGW site…why should I listen to your sources?

]]> By: Seth http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-190077 Seth Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:38:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-190077 Correlation is causation. Correlation is causation.

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