Comments on: Degrees saved or created http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html where orders emerge Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:18:14 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69691 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:06:24 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69691 No the science IS settled. Nature knows exactly how she will respond to our increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. All our debating WILL NOT change her position one bit. No the science IS settled. Nature knows exactly how she will respond to our increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. All our debating WILL NOT change her position one bit.

]]> By: Justin Palmer http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69668 Justin Palmer Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:05 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69668 Oh so the science isn't settled then? Interesting! Oh so the science isn't settled then? Interesting!

]]> By: Justin Palmer http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69665 Justin Palmer Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:21:19 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69665 Really, got a link to that? not just a jpeg? Really, got a link to that? not just a jpeg?

]]> By: Justin Palmer http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69666 Justin Palmer Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:20:03 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69666 Good question. Ask Muir that question too. Good question. Ask Muir that question too.

]]> By: SteveO http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69664 SteveO Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:18:21 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69664 ;-) ;-)

]]> By: danielkuehn http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-2#comment-69661 danielkuehn Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:51:44 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69661 Absolutely. I'd never claim to disprove it. I'd give arguments for being suspicious of the claim. That's all we can ever do. Absolutely. I'd never claim to disprove it. I'd give arguments for being suspicious of the claim. That's all we can ever do.

]]> By: David http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69659 David Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:47:30 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69659 I think it's irrational to accept any counterfactuals as truth or representing truth. They are simply hypotheses. I could say that the stimulus has destroyed or prevented five million jobs. Why don't you accept that? You certainly can't disprove it. I think it's irrational to accept any counterfactuals as truth or representing truth. They are simply hypotheses. I could say that the stimulus has destroyed or prevented five million jobs. Why don't you accept that? You certainly can't disprove it.

]]> By: Mommsen1625 http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69658 Mommsen1625 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:37:00 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69658 Do get off your high horse.<br><br>And if you are going to address my comments, then you know, address them. Do get off your high horse.

And if you are going to address my comments, then you know, address them.

]]> By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69655 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:16:48 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69655 "I basically maintain my position ...."<br><br><br>But of course you do. As it is the comfortable position for you to maintain. And this is mostly about your comfort levels. So stick to it. “I basically maintain my position ….”

But of course you do. As it is the comfortable position for you to maintain. And this is mostly about your comfort levels. So stick to it.

]]> By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69654 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:13:53 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69654 The data set I am using is global, uses surfaces records and covers over 100 years. <br><br> The one you choose to believe is only for the troposophere above the tropics and covers 30 years of data only. <br><br> Looking for the right data set to support your predrawn conclusion is called data mining... it's really unprofessional and admission that the general data doesn't support your claims. The data set I am using is global, uses surfaces records and covers over 100 years.

The one you choose to believe is only for the troposophere above the tropics and covers 30 years of data only.

Looking for the right data set to support your predrawn conclusion is called data mining… it's really unprofessional and admission that the general data doesn't support your claims.

]]> By: Mommsen1625 http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69652 Mommsen1625 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:51:58 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69652 Since that particular blog does provide the length and breadth of opinion by climate scientists on the issue, it is not the final authority on anything. Since that particular blog does provide the length and breadth of opinion by climate scientists on the issue, it is not the final authority on anything.

]]> By: Mommsen1625 http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69651 Mommsen1625 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:50:27 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69651 Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me. Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me.

]]> By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69643 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:22:43 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69643 Because the people who blog there actually are climate scientist and publish in peer reviewed journals.<br><br>Oh yeah... "peer reveiwed" apparently another libertarian bad word...never mind then. You are right YOU shouldn't trust them because you won't like what they have to say. And I'm sure that's reason enough for you. Because the people who blog there actually are climate scientist and publish in peer reviewed journals.

Oh yeah… “peer reveiwed” apparently another libertarian bad word…never mind then. You are right YOU shouldn't trust them because you won't like what they have to say. And I'm sure that's reason enough for you.

]]> By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69639 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:10:35 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69639 When looking at the data trends...YOU'RE RIGHT!!!!!<br><br>Basically every climatological trend I can think of is consistent with global warming.<br>-Surface trends; 3 independent compilations that each show the same thing<br>- Satellite trends<br>- Sonde baloon trends<br>- Alpine glacial trends<br>- Percipitation trends<br>- Hydrological trends<br>- Arctic ice trends<br>- Arctic river flow trends<br>- Pan evaporation trends<br>- Ocean temperature trends<br>- Large lake temperature trends ( Tahoe, Tanganika, Bakail)<br>- Drought trends<br>- heating day and cooling day trends<br>- record heat trends<br>- record cold trends<br>- snow line trends<br>- Lake freeze/ thaw trends<br>- permafrost trends<br>- Earthshine trends<br>- Spectrophotometric trends<br>- surface skin layer trends<br>- spring budding trends<br>- migratory trends<br>- atmospheriic moisture trends<br>- cloud trends<br>- increased snow accumulation over the Antarctic and Upper elevations of Greenland do to increased moisture and precipitation.<br>- precipitation trends<br>- sea level rise trends<br>- atmospheric shirkage trends<br>- stratospheric temperature trends<br>- sea surface barometric pressure trends When looking at the data trends…YOU'RE RIGHT!!!!!

Basically every climatological trend I can think of is consistent with global warming.
-Surface trends; 3 independent compilations that each show the same thing
- Satellite trends
- Sonde baloon trends
- Alpine glacial trends
- Percipitation trends
- Hydrological trends
- Arctic ice trends
- Arctic river flow trends
- Pan evaporation trends
- Ocean temperature trends
- Large lake temperature trends ( Tahoe, Tanganika, Bakail)
- Drought trends
- heating day and cooling day trends
- record heat trends
- record cold trends
- snow line trends
- Lake freeze/ thaw trends
- permafrost trends
- Earthshine trends
- Spectrophotometric trends
- surface skin layer trends
- spring budding trends
- migratory trends
- atmospheriic moisture trends
- cloud trends
- increased snow accumulation over the Antarctic and Upper elevations of Greenland do to increased moisture and precipitation.
- precipitation trends
- sea level rise trends
- atmospheric shirkage trends
- stratospheric temperature trends
- sea surface barometric pressure trends

]]> By: muirgeo http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69637 muirgeo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:59:31 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69637 Sounds like a severe case of torticollis you have there! You should get that checked. Sounds like a severe case of torticollis you have there! You should get that checked.

]]> By: Metre http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69632 Metre Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:36:02 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69632 What would you do if they did and it didn't conform to your preconceived notions? What would you do if they did and it didn't conform to your preconceived notions?

]]> By: Methinks1776 http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69625 Methinks1776 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:52 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69625 I completely agree with you. I completely agree with you.

]]> By: Justin Palmer http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69605 Justin Palmer Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:08 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69605 <a href="http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPE...</a><br><br>Imagine that! My papers says the models don't fit with reality. I wonder what data set your graph is using? Could you be using Hansen, fudged data? Something seems fishy. http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPE...

Imagine that! My papers says the models don't fit with reality. I wonder what data set your graph is using? Could you be using Hansen, fudged data? Something seems fishy.

]]> By: Justin Palmer http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69603 Justin Palmer Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:09:28 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69603 Realclimate is an AGW site...why should I listen to your sources? Realclimate is an AGW site…why should I listen to your sources?

]]> By: Seth http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/degrees-saved-or-created.html/comment-page-1#comment-69596 Seth Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:38:30 +0000 http://cafehayek.com/?p=7209#comment-69596 Correlation is causation. Correlation is causation.

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