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		<title>By: jimpierq</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-70426</link>
		<dc:creator>jimpierq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite clear that Krugman is making those assumptions -- the entire statement is a staple of the liberal critique of conservatives, and certainly typical of Krugman.  Conservatives are heartless and all they care about is not paying taxes.  We liberals are more compassionate than Jesus because we want the federal government to force Peter to pay for Paul&#039;s health insurance.  (Krugman&#039;s version of the Gospels has a Roman Centurion holding a sword to the back of the Good Samaritan.)  What&#039;s more, we are so compassionate that we will coerce the purchase of health insurance by any individual who obviously doesn&#039;t know any better.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I get a kick out of how much attention a shlock like Krugman is paid by otherwise intelligent people.  Of course, this makes it necessary for Dr. Boudreaux to send letter after letter to the Grey Lady, hoping against hope that a few of those readers who read approvingly Krugman&#039;s column the day before read his response, and further that they pay attention and think about the questions at hand, and that at least a few well-intentioned readers will recognize what a charlatan Krugman is.  The same battles have to be fought and won over and over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite clear that Krugman is making those assumptions &#8212; the entire statement is a staple of the liberal critique of conservatives, and certainly typical of Krugman.  Conservatives are heartless and all they care about is not paying taxes.  We liberals are more compassionate than Jesus because we want the federal government to force Peter to pay for Paul&#39;s health insurance.  (Krugman&#39;s version of the Gospels has a Roman Centurion holding a sword to the back of the Good Samaritan.)  What&#39;s more, we are so compassionate that we will coerce the purchase of health insurance by any individual who obviously doesn&#39;t know any better.  </p>
<p>I get a kick out of how much attention a shlock like Krugman is paid by otherwise intelligent people.  Of course, this makes it necessary for Dr. Boudreaux to send letter after letter to the Grey Lady, hoping against hope that a few of those readers who read approvingly Krugman&#39;s column the day before read his response, and further that they pay attention and think about the questions at hand, and that at least a few well-intentioned readers will recognize what a charlatan Krugman is.  The same battles have to be fought and won over and over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: jimpierq</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-70416</link>
		<dc:creator>jimpierq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite clear that Krugman is making those assumptions -- the entire statement is a staple of the liberal critique of conservatives, and certainly typical of Krugman.  Conservatives are heartless and all they care about is not paying taxes.  We liberals are more compassionate than Jesus because we want the federal government to force Peter to pay for Paul&#039;s health insurance.  (Krugman&#039;s version of the Gospels has a Roman Centurion holding a sword to the back of the Good Samaritan.)  What&#039;s more, we are so compassionate that we will coerce the purchase of health insurance by any individual who obviously doesn&#039;t know any better.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I get a kick out of how much attention a shlock like Krugman is paid by otherwise intelligent people.  Of course, this makes it necessary for Dr. Boudreaux to send letter after letter to the Grey Lady, hoping against hope that a few of those readers who read approvingly Krugman&#039;s column the day before read his response, and further that they pay attention and think about the questions at hand, and that at least a few well-intentioned readers will recognize what a charlatan Krugman is.  The same battles have to be fought and won over and over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite clear that Krugman is making those assumptions &#8212; the entire statement is a staple of the liberal critique of conservatives, and certainly typical of Krugman.  Conservatives are heartless and all they care about is not paying taxes.  We liberals are more compassionate than Jesus because we want the federal government to force Peter to pay for Paul&#39;s health insurance.  (Krugman&#39;s version of the Gospels has a Roman Centurion holding a sword to the back of the Good Samaritan.)  What&#39;s more, we are so compassionate that we will coerce the purchase of health insurance by any individual who obviously doesn&#39;t know any better.  </p>
<p>I get a kick out of how much attention a shlock like Krugman is paid by otherwise intelligent people.  Of course, this makes it necessary for Dr. Boudreaux to send letter after letter to the Grey Lady, hoping against hope that a few of those readers who read approvingly Krugman&#39;s column the day before read his response, and further that they pay attention and think about the questions at hand, and that at least a few well-intentioned readers will recognize what a charlatan Krugman is.  The same battles have to be fought and won over and over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: wholesale kids clothing</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68585</link>
		<dc:creator>wholesale kids clothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you really have Don on the ropes here. You&#039;ve totally eviscerated his point. &lt;br&gt;Good job, Dan! I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll retract the post soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you really have Don on the ropes here. You&#39;ve totally eviscerated his point. <br />Good job, Dan! I&#39;m sure he&#39;ll retract the post soon.</p>
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		<title>By: johndewey</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68500</link>
		<dc:creator>johndewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you replying to me, ColoComment?  If so, we view the Republican proposal differently.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Republican Party claims its proposal will allow unfettered interstate sale of insurance.  Despite danielkuehn&#039;s arguments to the contrary, the interpretation of the Commerce Clause and the McCarran-Ferguson Act have already been settled.  If the Republican proposal is enacted, the language in this new Act would prevent a state from banning interstate sales of health insuarance.  The language in this new Act would prevent a state from imposing its own mandates on the insurance offerred by a company from another state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you replying to me, ColoComment?  If so, we view the Republican proposal differently.  </p>
<p>The Republican Party claims its proposal will allow unfettered interstate sale of insurance.  Despite danielkuehn&#39;s arguments to the contrary, the interpretation of the Commerce Clause and the McCarran-Ferguson Act have already been settled.  If the Republican proposal is enacted, the language in this new Act would prevent a state from banning interstate sales of health insuarance.  The language in this new Act would prevent a state from imposing its own mandates on the insurance offerred by a company from another state.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark  </title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark  </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - don&#039;t wade into this discussion!  It&#039;s too dangerous!  Dan is an econo-Sith Lord.  You wouldn&#039;t survive the encounter!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; don&#39;t wade into this discussion!  It&#39;s too dangerous!  Dan is an econo-Sith Lord.  You wouldn&#39;t survive the encounter!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68454</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read it. Don does not attempt to refute Krugman&#039;s assertion, he exposes Krugman&#039;s logic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I guess we have to appeal to Don to explicate the purpose of his letter since you don&#039;t seem interested in my explanation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read it. Don does not attempt to refute Krugman&#39;s assertion, he exposes Krugman&#39;s logic.</p>
<p>So I guess we have to appeal to Don to explicate the purpose of his letter since you don&#39;t seem interested in my explanation.</p>
<p>Don?</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68448</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly!  And yes, thankfully it is still America :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly!  And yes, thankfully it is still America <img src='http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I don&#039;t understand this, but it seems that the dormant commerce clause doctrine restricts states from preventing interstate commerce.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I realize there is no restriction to regulate insurance intrastate and the commerce clause doesn&#039;t refer to intrastate commerce.  If I understand it correctly, I believe the McCarran-Ferguson Act pertains to intrastate commerce.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I said that I think congress may be derelict in its duties under the Commerce Clause, I was referring to allowing the prohibition of interstate commerce in health insurance, not the right of each state to regulate insurance companies doing business specifically in their state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Securities Broker Dealers have similar regulatory issues.  However, BDs are allowed to have customers in a state in which they have no office and which does not regulate them.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I don&#039;t understand why the dormant commerce clause is not preventing states from the prohibition on buying insurance from an insurance company housed in another state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I don&#39;t understand this, but it seems that the dormant commerce clause doctrine restricts states from preventing interstate commerce.</p>
<p>I realize there is no restriction to regulate insurance intrastate and the commerce clause doesn&#39;t refer to intrastate commerce.  If I understand it correctly, I believe the McCarran-Ferguson Act pertains to intrastate commerce.  </p>
<p>When I said that I think congress may be derelict in its duties under the Commerce Clause, I was referring to allowing the prohibition of interstate commerce in health insurance, not the right of each state to regulate insurance companies doing business specifically in their state.</p>
<p>Securities Broker Dealers have similar regulatory issues.  However, BDs are allowed to have customers in a state in which they have no office and which does not regulate them.  </p>
<p>I guess I don&#39;t understand why the dormant commerce clause is not preventing states from the prohibition on buying insurance from an insurance company housed in another state.</p>
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		<title>By: ColoComment</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoComment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per your summary, they are moving in the right direction, but I don&#039;t see either of those proposals as true federal pre-emption; more like selective state-to-state reciprocity similar to state CCW reciprocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per your summary, they are moving in the right direction, but I don&#39;t see either of those proposals as true federal pre-emption; more like selective state-to-state reciprocity similar to state CCW reciprocity.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68445</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fatal conceit for any of us to think we know anything about it. It hasn&#039;t been constitutionally tested yet, despite your attempt to read your own views into Southeastern. Justice Black said very clearly that insurance was subject to anti-trust regulation at the federal level and that all other facets would have to be looked at individually.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;And because of McCarren-Ferguson there hasn&#039;t been a need to.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;If anyone, including myself, pretends to know exactly what can and can&#039;t be done they&#039;re lying.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a fatal conceit for any of us to think we know anything about it. It hasn&#39;t been constitutionally tested yet, despite your attempt to read your own views into Southeastern. Justice Black said very clearly that insurance was subject to anti-trust regulation at the federal level and that all other facets would have to be looked at individually.</p>
<p>And because of McCarren-Ferguson there hasn&#39;t been a need to.</p>
<p>If anyone, including myself, pretends to know exactly what can and can&#39;t be done they&#39;re lying.</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68443</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go back and read his first line!  Either way, I was pretty explicit on what I was responding to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go back and read his first line!  Either way, I was pretty explicit on what I was responding to.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68442</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I do enjoy your posts so, Mark.  On the mark.</description>
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		<title>By: A.J. Lenze</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-3#comment-68431</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Lenze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a conservative, but *I* don&#039;t want Americans to have universal health coverage.  I&#039;m pro-choice:  I want Americans to have a CHOICE whether to buy coverage or not.  Krugman and his ilk propose to FORCE everyone to buy health coverage - whether they want to or not.  Is this still America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not a conservative, but *I* don&#39;t want Americans to have universal health coverage.  I&#39;m pro-choice:  I want Americans to have a CHOICE whether to buy coverage or not.  Krugman and his ilk propose to FORCE everyone to buy health coverage &#8211; whether they want to or not.  Is this still America?</p>
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		<title>By: danielkuehn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-2#comment-68421</link>
		<dc:creator>danielkuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well since Black&#039;s decision was pretty clearly delimited in it&#039;s scope, I&#039;m not sure why you disagree (and your lack of an explanation leaves me pretty helpless in understanding).  But hopefully at least you&#039;ll realize that you aren&#039;t the only one here that thinks critically about what you write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well since Black&#39;s decision was pretty clearly delimited in it&#39;s scope, I&#39;m not sure why you disagree (and your lack of an explanation leaves me pretty helpless in understanding).  But hopefully at least you&#39;ll realize that you aren&#39;t the only one here that thinks critically about what you write.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test</description>
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		<title>By: Mark  </title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-2#comment-68389</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark  </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I haven&#039;t seen any progress either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re right.  I haven&#39;t seen any progress either.</p>
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		<title>By: subframer</title>
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		<dc:creator>subframer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pity his students indeed.  and his readers. whoever they are....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pity his students indeed.  and his readers. whoever they are&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MWG</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-2#comment-68383</link>
		<dc:creator>MWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see dan as &quot;working through&quot; his Napoleonic complex. I think it&#039;s more like mental masturbation to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see dan as &#8220;working through&#8221; his Napoleonic complex. I think it&#39;s more like mental masturbation to him.</p>
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		<title>By: johndewey</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/intentions-and-results.html/comment-page-2#comment-68368</link>
		<dc:creator>johndewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Republicans and Democrats have &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20090926_6036.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proposed such legislation:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;So could a proposal in the bill from Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont. Today, insurance generally can&#039;t be sold across state lines. Baucus would permit states to jointly allow insurance plans sold in one state to be offered in the other. This differs from the Republican proposal to permit unlimited interstate insurance sales. The GOP approach would allow any policy sold anywhere to be sold everywhere, and effectively permit the state with the weakest regulation to write the rules for the 49 others. The Baucus variation would allow states to open their markets only to states with comparable consumer protections while simultaneously expanding consumer choice.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have no doubt that the staffs of Democratic and Republican senators know much more than me about the legality of ending state regulation of health insurance.  Heck, I bet they even know more than danielkuehn.&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Republicans and Democrats have <a href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20090926_6036.php" rel="nofollow">proposed such legislation:</a></p>
<p><em>&#8220;So could a proposal in the bill from Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont. Today, insurance generally can&#39;t be sold across state lines. Baucus would permit states to jointly allow insurance plans sold in one state to be offered in the other. This differs from the Republican proposal to permit unlimited interstate insurance sales. The GOP approach would allow any policy sold anywhere to be sold everywhere, and effectively permit the state with the weakest regulation to write the rules for the 49 others. The Baucus variation would allow states to open their markets only to states with comparable consumer protections while simultaneously expanding consumer choice.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I have no doubt that the staffs of Democratic and Republican senators know much more than me about the legality of ending state regulation of health insurance.  Heck, I bet they even know more than danielkuehn.</p>
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		<title>By: johndewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>johndewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post.  I disagree with your conclusion that:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;The case gets pretty weak when you move beyond those three points.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post.  I disagree with your conclusion that:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The case gets pretty weak when you move beyond those three points.&#8221;</em></p>
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