That’s just it… there is no ‘front door’ for these people and as long as there isn’t, they’ll come across the southern border.

“Most illegals think they can jump in and magically find the good life they see on TV only to become an underground slave to some dodgy employer paying them a pittance cash in the hand.”

I’m guessing you don’t live in a border state…

Basic economics… I don’t see it as a duty… more as an opportunity. Of course no one would ever accuse you of understanding basic economics…

Actually I speak from a standpoint of COLD, HARD reason. I’ll cut and paste it so you can read it again. This time, read it slow so you’ll be sure to understand.

“As I said before, (and as you seem to recognize) the ONLY way to keep people from trying to cross the border illegally is to establish the kind of border that existed with the Berlin Wall and that currently exists on the border between N. Korea and China.”

You can be all for this sort of policy, and it seems that you are. I simply think it’s a policy best kept solely by brutal despotic regimes.

“Those border jumpers aren’t exactly angels, and the people who bring them across only care if their headcount pays up.”

I haven’t made the argument that they all are, though as a resident of AZ and someone who has had regular contact with people who both came here illegally and are now citizens, and those who are here illegally still, I can say that many of them love this country and contribute to it every bit as a pure-blooded American. They’re not all angels, but they’re also not all shady criminals.

“Besides, the only large rush to Mexico I see are ‘people’ that don’t want the public to know that they’re headed to Mexico. They lie to their domestic workers about those ‘additional workers’ or their ‘new expansion’ when they don’t have the cash; they try to whitewash with their PR department when they’re outed. These ‘people’ rush to Mexico because it is a pliable, corrupt narcostate.”

This part of your comment seems somewhat nonsensical. I don’t know what it has to do with the flow of illegal immigrants into the US and how to solve that problem. Sorry.

“If you wish to aid these people so much, go to Mexico and help them fix their nation from the inside.”

You’ve really missed the point of the debate. I’m really not interested in fixing Mexico’s social problems. I’m more interested if figuring out a way that would allow people who want to come to the US to work to do so in a manner that would reduce the chaos on the southern border and help fuel the US economy. Pretty simple really…

Cut and pasted from another of my responses to you:

“As I’ve said MULTIPLE times to you, the ONLY way to reduce the flow of people crossing illegally (short of reforming current immigration laws so as to allow these people to come here legally) is to set up the same type of border that existed with the Berlin Wall and currently exists on the border of China and N. Korea. EVEN with the tough measures both China and N. Korea take against those who cross the border illegally, thousands still attempt it every year.”

Gil: “You could just as well say the banning of legal slavery has created a black market of underground slavery.”

You could could absolutely try and argue that we were better off WITH slavery as a result of some MASSIVE “underground” slave trade that exists today, though you will find few people who agree with you.

I’m arguing that we’d be better off scrapping current immigration law that fuels a MASSIVE inflow of undocumented workers in favor of a policy that would allow those who wish to come here to work low-skilled jobs could do so legally.

Gil: “If politics are the problem than the people of poor can die trying to overthrow the powers that be…”

Seems reasonable. Now you go tell the man who’s trying to feed his family, “instead of crossing the border to work odd jobs, why don’t you take up arms and lead a revolution against the Mexican govt.?”

You really are dense.

It is a problem for the US in and as long as the US has a closed door policy to people who want to come here and make a living working as maids, doing yard work, and any other manner of low-skilled labor, thousands will continue to poor over the border illegally. As I’ve said MULTIPLE times to you, the ONLY way to reduce the flow of people crossing illegally (short of reforming current immigration laws so as to allow these people to come here legally) is to set up the same type of border that existed with the Berlin Wall and currently exists on the border of China and N. Korea. EVEN with the tough measures both China and N. Korea take against those who cross the border illegally, thousands still attempt it every year.

“Why don’t poor people make something of themselves in their own country unless they’re wholly unproductive people per se?”

Because they’re stupid, remember?

Where’s this “door” you speak of? You talk as if there’s some place these people could go and get visas to come to the US and work if they were only willing to ‘wait’ their turn in line. No such place exists, and the fact that you don’t recognize that, shows your ignorance of current US immigration policy.

As I said before, (and as you seem to recognize) the ONLY way to keep people from trying to cross the border illegally is to establish the kind of border that existed with the Berlin Wall and that currently exists on the border between N. Korea and China. I think what happens along the N. Korean/Chinese border is disgusting. You, on the other hand seem to think it’s perfectly reasonable… a difference in values I guess…