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	<title>Comments on: Jacoby on the &#8216;Public Option&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting, thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188865</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is unclear, however, is whether they can set minimum standards for anyone selling insurance in their state.  But yes, the Court has been very clear that you can&#039;t treat in state and out of state insurers differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is unclear, however, is whether they can set minimum standards for anyone selling insurance in their state.  But yes, the Court has been very clear that you can&#8217;t treat in state and out of state insurers differently.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dewey</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188863</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution gives the U.S. Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. Absent any other federal legislation, states cannot prevent an insurance company in one state from insuring a person in another state. So, absent any other legislation, a resident of California could purchase a health insurance policy from a Texas firm and not have to pay for all the mandates imposed by the state of California.Unfortunately, the U.S. Congress passed the McCarran-Ferguson Act in 1945. That Act gives to each state the power to regulate sales of insurance within state boundaries, &lt;B&gt;until such time as the U.S. Congress passes future laws which do regulate the sales of insurance&lt;/B&gt;.The U.S. Congress could repeal the McCarran-Ferguson Act and enable interstate sales of insurance. The U.S. Congress could also establish national mandates which may be more extensive than state mandates in almost every state. I think the latter action is a more likely outcome as long as Democrats are in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution gives the U.S. Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. Absent any other federal legislation, states cannot prevent an insurance company in one state from insuring a person in another state. So, absent any other legislation, a resident of California could purchase a health insurance policy from a Texas firm and not have to pay for all the mandates imposed by the state of California.Unfortunately, the U.S. Congress passed the McCarran-Ferguson Act in 1945. That Act gives to each state the power to regulate sales of insurance within state boundaries, <b>until such time as the U.S. Congress passes future laws which do regulate the sales of insurance</b>.The U.S. Congress could repeal the McCarran-Ferguson Act and enable interstate sales of insurance. The U.S. Congress could also establish national mandates which may be more extensive than state mandates in almost every state. I think the latter action is a more likely outcome as long as Democrats are in power.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188795</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; We need MORE doctors and nurses for sure.&quot;

Actually the US has about the same number of physicians per capita as the OECD average.

But doctors make far less in other OECD countries that have physician price controls.

We would be smart to not require a second residency for doctors moving from OECD countries to the US (just pass the USMLE and have previously been a licensed doctor in another OECD country).  That way we can get all their &quot;starving doctors&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; We need MORE doctors and nurses for sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually the US has about the same number of physicians per capita as the OECD average.</p>
<p>But doctors make far less in other OECD countries that have physician price controls.</p>
<p>We would be smart to not require a second residency for doctors moving from OECD countries to the US (just pass the USMLE and have previously been a licensed doctor in another OECD country).  That way we can get all their &#8220;starving doctors&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When that day comes and it seems your doctor is too busy for you or your nurse is flying by the seat of his or her pants just think of all of your health care dollars that are going to the legions of health insurance workers and not into delivering you better care.&quot;

Of each dollar spent on health care in the United States 31% goes to hospital care, 21% goes to physician services, 10% to pharmaceuticals, 8% to nursing homes, 7% to administrative costs, and 23% to all other categories (diagnostic laboratory services, pharmacies, medical device manufacturers, etc.)

If the insurance (including Medicare) did not have the 7% administrative costs, then my premiums would be higher because of more insurance fraud.  For example, Medicare fraud is around $60 billion per year as it is.

We can&#039;t really compare Medicare and private insurance administrative costs beause they are very different patient mixes.  Medicare &quot;advertises&quot; 2% administrative costs, but a better analysis that includes hidden costs shows about 5.2%, compared to private insurance 8.9%.  But keep in mind that the sicker patients of Medicare lead to per patient administrative costs being higher for Medicare than private insurance.  Plus it is likely that there is far more Medicare fraud than private insurance fraud, thus perhaps Medicare could save money by having a higher administrative cost!



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When that day comes and it seems your doctor is too busy for you or your nurse is flying by the seat of his or her pants just think of all of your health care dollars that are going to the legions of health insurance workers and not into delivering you better care.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of each dollar spent on health care in the United States 31% goes to hospital care, 21% goes to physician services, 10% to pharmaceuticals, 8% to nursing homes, 7% to administrative costs, and 23% to all other categories (diagnostic laboratory services, pharmacies, medical device manufacturers, etc.)</p>
<p>If the insurance (including Medicare) did not have the 7% administrative costs, then my premiums would be higher because of more insurance fraud.  For example, Medicare fraud is around $60 billion per year as it is.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t really compare Medicare and private insurance administrative costs beause they are very different patient mixes.  Medicare &#8220;advertises&#8221; 2% administrative costs, but a better analysis that includes hidden costs shows about 5.2%, compared to private insurance 8.9%.  But keep in mind that the sicker patients of Medicare lead to per patient administrative costs being higher for Medicare than private insurance.  Plus it is likely that there is far more Medicare fraud than private insurance fraud, thus perhaps Medicare could save money by having a higher administrative cost!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188548</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right - some states have greater mandatory requirements for private health insurance (like expansive IVF treatment policy) that the UK NHS does for it socialized medical care!

(lest you do not believe me, &quot;Couples seeking infertility treatment in some parts of Scotland are having to wait up to three years longer than those in other areas&quot;:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6883053.ece

&quot;Connecticut

Individual and group health insurance policies are required to cover medically necessary expenses for infertility diagnosis and treatment. Infertility is defined as the inability to conceive or sustain a successful pregnancy during a one-year period.

Covered treatments include ovulation induction, interuterine insemination, IVF, uterine embryo lavage, embryo transfer, GIFT, ZIFT, and low tubal embryo transfer. Coverage is limited to individuals who have maintained coverage under the policy for at least a year.&quot;

http://www.asrm.org/Patients/insur.html#CT

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right &#8211; some states have greater mandatory requirements for private health insurance (like expansive IVF treatment policy) that the UK NHS does for it socialized medical care!</p>
<p>(lest you do not believe me, &#8220;Couples seeking infertility treatment in some parts of Scotland are having to wait up to three years longer than those in other areas&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6883053.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6883053.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Connecticut</p>
<p>Individual and group health insurance policies are required to cover medically necessary expenses for infertility diagnosis and treatment. Infertility is defined as the inability to conceive or sustain a successful pregnancy during a one-year period.</p>
<p>Covered treatments include ovulation induction, interuterine insemination, IVF, uterine embryo lavage, embryo transfer, GIFT, ZIFT, and low tubal embryo transfer. Coverage is limited to individuals who have maintained coverage under the policy for at least a year.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asrm.org/Patients/insur.html#CT" rel="nofollow">http://www.asrm.org/Patients/insur.html#CT</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also like to point out that even if socialized medicine works well in certain European countries within a specific culture and political system, it may not work as well within American culture and the American political system!

For example, the Netherlands is considered by Transparency International to be much less corrupt than the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that even if socialized medicine works well in certain European countries within a specific culture and political system, it may not work as well within American culture and the American political system!</p>
<p>For example, the Netherlands is considered by Transparency International to be much less corrupt than the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188540</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US health expenditures (and doctor and nurse salaries) are still pretty high compared with OECD averages even on a %GDP per captia basis.

Then again, I suspect our house prices &amp; car prices are as well.

If you want to see a neat graph of cross-country health expenditures as % of total GDP and per capita PPP, the below link shows that the US has always been near the top of spending as far back as 1960, but the other OECD countries slowed down their spending growth as % of total GDP or as per capita PPP around 1980, while the US pulled far ahead.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/us-health-spending-breaks-from-the-pack/

Compare with General Practitioner income PPP:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/?apage=3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US health expenditures (and doctor and nurse salaries) are still pretty high compared with OECD averages even on a %GDP per captia basis.</p>
<p>Then again, I suspect our house prices &amp; car prices are as well.</p>
<p>If you want to see a neat graph of cross-country health expenditures as % of total GDP and per capita PPP, the below link shows that the US has always been near the top of spending as far back as 1960, but the other OECD countries slowed down their spending growth as % of total GDP or as per capita PPP around 1980, while the US pulled far ahead.</p>
<p><a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/us-health-spending-breaks-from-the-pack/" rel="nofollow">http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/us-health-spending-breaks-from-the-pack/</a></p>
<p>Compare with General Practitioner income PPP:</p>
<p><a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/?apage=3" rel="nofollow">http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/?apage=3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Econotarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Econotarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the majority of the difference in health expenditures is that those countries pay their doctors &amp; nurses less, and use a much smaller percentage of new drugs (under three years old) and deploy fewer new medical devices.

Private health insurance companies are a scapegoat.  We know the profit margins of the health insurance industry is very small (~3%, not to mention the non-profits.)

US doctors make twice the OECD average, despite the facts that we have about an average number of doctors per capita compared with other OECD countries.

I can&#039;t figure out why US doctors make so much more than in other OECD countries.  It isn&#039;t just to offset medical school repayment and higher malpractice insurance costs than other OECD countries (although that does explain some of the difference).

I can only conclude that other OECD countries have decided to &quot;stick it to the doctors&quot; through lower &quot;negotiated rates&quot; with doctor&#039;s unions.  There was a huge doctor strike in France in 2002, which shows the pressure between them and the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the majority of the difference in health expenditures is that those countries pay their doctors &amp; nurses less, and use a much smaller percentage of new drugs (under three years old) and deploy fewer new medical devices.</p>
<p>Private health insurance companies are a scapegoat.  We know the profit margins of the health insurance industry is very small (~3%, not to mention the non-profits.)</p>
<p>US doctors make twice the OECD average, despite the facts that we have about an average number of doctors per capita compared with other OECD countries.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t figure out why US doctors make so much more than in other OECD countries.  It isn&#8217;t just to offset medical school repayment and higher malpractice insurance costs than other OECD countries (although that does explain some of the difference).</p>
<p>I can only conclude that other OECD countries have decided to &#8220;stick it to the doctors&#8221; through lower &#8220;negotiated rates&#8221; with doctor&#8217;s unions.  There was a huge doctor strike in France in 2002, which shows the pressure between them and the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting note on the linked exhibit: &quot;Source: For U.S. figures, authors&#039; calculations.  For all other countries, &quot;Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development...&quot;  Why&#039;s that?

Also, these are absolute dollars.  How does the chart look with % of income?  Can the numbers be broken between required and elective?

What&#039;s your proof on &quot;overall quality just as good&quot;?  What about specific results?  Like, once someone is diagnosed, what&#039;s their survival rate? Chance of infection? How quickly are they treated, released and back to productive pursuits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting note on the linked exhibit: &#8220;Source: For U.S. figures, authors&#8217; calculations.  For all other countries, &#8220;Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development&#8230;&#8221;  Why&#8217;s that?</p>
<p>Also, these are absolute dollars.  How does the chart look with % of income?  Can the numbers be broken between required and elective?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your proof on &#8220;overall quality just as good&#8221;?  What about specific results?  Like, once someone is diagnosed, what&#8217;s their survival rate? Chance of infection? How quickly are they treated, released and back to productive pursuits?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason we spend more per capita is because we can afford to.
I bet if people in these other developed countries were wealthier, they would spend more on medical care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason we spend more per capita is because we can afford to.<br />
I bet if people in these other developed countries were wealthier, they would spend more on medical care.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, did you take advantage of any other options the other day to find an acceptable dinner or did you go without?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, did you take advantage of any other options the other day to find an acceptable dinner or did you go without?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I strongly disagree to that idea. We do have auto insurance and life insurance but things are not too great in those markets and health insurance is at a totally different level because millions of lives depend on it.&quot;

Not true... What millions of lives depend on is good sound judgment on matters such as the intake of healthy food, exercise and the move away from risky behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I strongly disagree to that idea. We do have auto insurance and life insurance but things are not too great in those markets and health insurance is at a totally different level because millions of lives depend on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true&#8230; What millions of lives depend on is good sound judgment on matters such as the intake of healthy food, exercise and the move away from risky behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Insurance License Courses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insurance License Courses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly disagree to that idea. We do have auto insurance and life insurance but things are not too great  in those markets and health insurance is at a totally different level because millions of lives depend on it. Some how it doesn&#039;t seem to me to be at the same scale of need. However, they are important and many people are finding it hard to afford them. Not that the public health option will be a great thing either. Insurance in general needs to be regulated even if run privately. The cost needs to be controlled so it&#039;s affordable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree to that idea. We do have auto insurance and life insurance but things are not too great  in those markets and health insurance is at a totally different level because millions of lives depend on it. Some how it doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be at the same scale of need. However, they are important and many people are finding it hard to afford them. Not that the public health option will be a great thing either. Insurance in general needs to be regulated even if run privately. The cost needs to be controlled so it&#8217;s affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re saying that much of the health insurance industry is a waste, I agree, but that&#039;s how the government designed it.  I would love to see a real &quot;insurance&quot; system.  That is, I would pay in cash for minor visits, but have a catastophic coverage policy for major illness or injury.  I don&#039;t see how turning the existing government controlled system over to a government run system is likely to have that result.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re saying that much of the health insurance industry is a waste, I agree, but that&#8217;s how the government designed it.  I would love to see a real &#8220;insurance&#8221; system.  That is, I would pay in cash for minor visits, but have a catastophic coverage policy for major illness or injury.  I don&#8217;t see how turning the existing government controlled system over to a government run system is likely to have that result.</p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>muirgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

   I renewed my drivers license with 3 clicks on this computer. Haven&#039;t spent more then 4 hours of my life at the DMV over the last 15 years.

 Now the Texas Roadhouse had a 40 minute wait the other day. So we left. 

  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>   I renewed my drivers license with 3 clicks on this computer. Haven&#8217;t spent more then 4 hours of my life at the DMV over the last 15 years.</p>
<p> Now the Texas Roadhouse had a 40 minute wait the other day. So we left.</p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>muirgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew the evidence is clear when one simply looks at the other 30 developed nations who per capita cost are far less then ours and overall quality just as good.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n5ROGN0Id8Q/Suu8HDhL2uI/AAAAAAAAABY/t15qpdlaEXA/s1600-h/Per+capita+healthcare+costj.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew the evidence is clear when one simply looks at the other 30 developed nations who per capita cost are far less then ours and overall quality just as good.</p>
<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n5ROGN0Id8Q/Suu8HDhL2uI/AAAAAAAAABY/t15qpdlaEXA/s1600-h/Per+capita+healthcare+costj.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n5ROGN0Id8Q/Suu8HDhL2uI/AAAAAAAAABY/t15qpdlaEXA/s1600-h/Per+capita+healthcare+costj.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: muirgeo</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188395</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and they oppose the public option and they were the reason for ?Truman&#039;s failure to pass public health. We need MORE doctors and nurses for sure. And all those insurance claims deniers and executives could certainly be re-trained and put back to work doing something useful rather then scavenging from the system. And doctors salaries, especially specialist, could sttand a little trimming. I am not a member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and they oppose the public option and they were the reason for ?Truman&#8217;s failure to pass public health. We need MORE doctors and nurses for sure. And all those insurance claims deniers and executives could certainly be re-trained and put back to work doing something useful rather then scavenging from the system. And doctors salaries, especially specialist, could sttand a little trimming. I am not a member.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188391</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>muirduck,My little pet, I am pleased to see your progress after all these years of being exposed to sensible people here on the Cafe.That was a decent, incompetently written though it was, argument for the free market. I agree with you for once. There is an enormous amount of money being sucked out of patient&#039;s pockets and directed into the pockets of bean counters and bureaucrats; but it isn&#039;t the market that is causing that, it certainly isn&#039;t private industry forcing people to throw their money away, it is government oppressive regulations and interference.Shut down all intermediaries between the doctor and the patient, eliminate all government dictates and rules about health care provision and payment, leave all that money in the pocket of the patient so that he and the doctor can bargain directly for the service and payment.:-) Everyone will be much better served;and, provision and purchase of healthcare will finally have fallen back to its previous pre-socialist interference level of efficiency.I guess you have proved the theory that if you leave enough Chihuahuas alone with enough keyboards for enough time, one of them will finally write something at least partially reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muirduck,My little pet, I am pleased to see your progress after all these years of being exposed to sensible people here on the Cafe.That was a decent, incompetently written though it was, argument for the free market. I agree with you for once. There is an enormous amount of money being sucked out of patient&#8217;s pockets and directed into the pockets of bean counters and bureaucrats; but it isn&#8217;t the market that is causing that, it certainly isn&#8217;t private industry forcing people to throw their money away, it is government oppressive regulations and interference.Shut down all intermediaries between the doctor and the patient, eliminate all government dictates and rules about health care provision and payment, leave all that money in the pocket of the patient so that he and the doctor can bargain directly for the service and payment.:-) Everyone will be much better served;and, provision and purchase of healthcare will finally have fallen back to its previous pre-socialist interference level of efficiency.I guess you have proved the theory that if you leave enough Chihuahuas alone with enough keyboards for enough time, one of them will finally write something at least partially reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/jacoby-on-the-public-option.html/comment-page-1#comment-188390</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Mark Perry&#039;s take...

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/11/sen-reid-on-health-insurance-profits.html

Here&#039;s the irony. This government, supposedly the best and the brightest, believes their ideas trump all others.

But, if that is truly the case why does the Senate Majority Leader feel the need to lie? Why does the rest of the administration, knowing that their leader in the Senate is lying, fail to correct the leader?

If the administration can lie and support that lie in the face of facts countering their lies what on earth leads anyone to believe that they&#039;ll be honest in any other aspect of the medical care debate?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Mark Perry&#8217;s take&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/11/sen-reid-on-health-insurance-profits.html" rel="nofollow">http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/11/sen-reid-on-health-insurance-profits.html</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the irony. This government, supposedly the best and the brightest, believes their ideas trump all others.</p>
<p>But, if that is truly the case why does the Senate Majority Leader feel the need to lie? Why does the rest of the administration, knowing that their leader in the Senate is lying, fail to correct the leader?</p>
<p>If the administration can lie and support that lie in the face of facts countering their lies what on earth leads anyone to believe that they&#8217;ll be honest in any other aspect of the medical care debate?</p>
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