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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-190313</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well George,
You&#039;ve proved one thing by this; your personal integrity means so little to you that you practically brag about perpetrating a fraud by signing on to a statement with which you disagree.

What am I to assume now, that the other signers also have the same lack of integrity?

I agree with the statement, yet I never thought to sign on to it as I don&#039;t consider my name an asset to the petition.

If I ever disagreed with a petition statement such as this, I would never think to fraudulently sign on to it in an effort to undermine its credibility.

Whose credibility has been undermined by your actions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well George,<br />
You&#8217;ve proved one thing by this; your personal integrity means so little to you that you practically brag about perpetrating a fraud by signing on to a statement with which you disagree.</p>
<p>What am I to assume now, that the other signers also have the same lack of integrity?</p>
<p>I agree with the statement, yet I never thought to sign on to it as I don&#8217;t consider my name an asset to the petition.</p>
<p>If I ever disagreed with a petition statement such as this, I would never think to fraudulently sign on to it in an effort to undermine its credibility.</p>
<p>Whose credibility has been undermined by your actions?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-190001</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes this is true. There was a day in 1957, April 10th to be exact that I wanted to last forever.

Damn the bad .........whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes this is true. There was a day in 1957, April 10th to be exact that I wanted to last forever.</p>
<p>Damn the bad &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189968</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weasling words. Nobody disputes &quot;climate change&quot;. 

That&#039;s what AGW doomsayers came up with to cover their butts of events don&#039;t match their forecasts.

Change is a known characteristic of planetary climate and I am not aware of anyone who suggests that climate is static, but apparently AGW doomsayers think it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weasling words. Nobody disputes &#8220;climate change&#8221;. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what AGW doomsayers came up with to cover their butts of events don&#8217;t match their forecasts.</p>
<p>Change is a known characteristic of planetary climate and I am not aware of anyone who suggests that climate is static, but apparently AGW doomsayers think it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be something stupid like that - I just have no use for politicizing science, it&#039;s never been a good idea, but that&#039;s what these AGW alarmists do constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to be something stupid like that &#8211; I just have no use for politicizing science, it&#8217;s never been a good idea, but that&#8217;s what these AGW alarmists do constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189881</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it safe to assume that human activity impacts climate.

I think it erroneous to assume that the impact is a net negative.

And I think it unwise to proclaim any certainty on the net contribution of AG emissions to climate trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it safe to assume that human activity impacts climate.</p>
<p>I think it erroneous to assume that the impact is a net negative.</p>
<p>And I think it unwise to proclaim any certainty on the net contribution of AG emissions to climate trends.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189880</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he assumes that the water vapor content and resultant cloud types are a constant. Why do the AGW doomsayers make this assumption?
Because it allows them to blame humankind, and particularly, those in the U.S. for threatening the planet, that is their initial assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he assumes that the water vapor content and resultant cloud types are a constant. Why do the AGW doomsayers make this assumption?<br />
Because it allows them to blame humankind, and particularly, those in the U.S. for threatening the planet, that is their initial assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189879</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a brother-in-law who is a practicing Christian and is also a plasma physicist. I know another person who is a physicist working at SLAC who is mormon. I may disagree with their religious views and perhaps their thoughts on evolutionary theory, but I do not believe it affects their qualifications as physicists.As is typical with you, you do not address the science. In fact a fair part of my skepticism regarding AGW doomsayers is their frequent habit of attacking their critics rather than addressing the science of the criticism. Makes me very suspicious.I suspect that if Dr. Spencer was on board with AGW doomsayers, you would have little objection to his other beliefs.Just about everyone accepts that there has been warming since the &#039;70s. that what all the data shows. The question is about the &quot;why&quot; of it.Funny that you would attack an AGW doom critic then reference a chart produced by that same critic as evidence in support of your position. You like to have it both ways.That&#039;s another characteristic that makes me skeptical of AGW doomsayers; all evidence is good if it supports their claims and all evidence that suggests a little skepticism is to be disregarded.You claim to know more about climate science than I do, but since neither you nor I do actual climate research, it&#039;s not about who knows more, it&#039;s about critical examination of the discussion between the doomsters and the skeptics.If your comprehension of the climate science is anything like your comprehension of economics, you&#039;ll have a hard time impressing me in that regard.Why don&#039;t you dig up some dirt on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalwarming.org/2009/02/12/john-christy-debates-william-schlesinger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Cristy&lt;/a&gt; now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a brother-in-law who is a practicing Christian and is also a plasma physicist. I know another person who is a physicist working at SLAC who is mormon. I may disagree with their religious views and perhaps their thoughts on evolutionary theory, but I do not believe it affects their qualifications as physicists.As is typical with you, you do not address the science. In fact a fair part of my skepticism regarding AGW doomsayers is their frequent habit of attacking their critics rather than addressing the science of the criticism. Makes me very suspicious.I suspect that if Dr. Spencer was on board with AGW doomsayers, you would have little objection to his other beliefs.Just about everyone accepts that there has been warming since the &#8217;70s. that what all the data shows. The question is about the &#8220;why&#8221; of it.Funny that you would attack an AGW doom critic then reference a chart produced by that same critic as evidence in support of your position. You like to have it both ways.That&#8217;s another characteristic that makes me skeptical of AGW doomsayers; all evidence is good if it supports their claims and all evidence that suggests a little skepticism is to be disregarded.You claim to know more about climate science than I do, but since neither you nor I do actual climate research, it&#8217;s not about who knows more, it&#8217;s about critical examination of the discussion between the doomsters and the skeptics.If your comprehension of the climate science is anything like your comprehension of economics, you&#8217;ll have a hard time impressing me in that regard.Why don&#8217;t you dig up some dirt on <a href="http://www.globalwarming.org/2009/02/12/john-christy-debates-william-schlesinger/" rel="nofollow">John Cristy</a> now?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical - attack the person rather than the position.  Kinda makes you look like an idiot who has no argument, George.  Why not engage the data and the science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical &#8211; attack the person rather than the position.  Kinda makes you look like an idiot who has no argument, George.  Why not engage the data and the science?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you say we&#039;ll never get a carbon tax?  Are you indicating that if we could you wouldn&#039;t be in the opposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you say we&#8217;ll never get a carbon tax?  Are you indicating that if we could you wouldn&#8217;t be in the opposition?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189757</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy Spencer??? That&#039;s your guy??? You know I can find a few reputable scientist who don&#039;t believe in evolution. Does that prove anything against evolution?? No. Now the sad part for you. Did you realize your hack is himself a creationist as well. LOL LOL

On the subject of Intelligent design, Spencer wrote in 2005, &quot;Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as &#039;fact,&#039; I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college.&quot;

He further states &quot;I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world... Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer.&quot;

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080805I

http://theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony2.php

Spencer is a right wing religious loony bird nut job! ON top of that his satellite data is also showing the warming trend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Temperatures.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Spencer??? That&#8217;s your guy??? You know I can find a few reputable scientist who don&#8217;t believe in evolution. Does that prove anything against evolution?? No. Now the sad part for you. Did you realize your hack is himself a creationist as well. LOL LOL</p>
<p>On the subject of Intelligent design, Spencer wrote in 2005, &#8220;Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as &#8216;fact,&#8217; I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college.&#8221;</p>
<p>He further states &#8220;I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world&#8230; Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080805I" rel="nofollow">http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080805I</a></p>
<p><a href="http://theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony2.php" rel="nofollow">http://theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony2.php</a></p>
<p>Spencer is a right wing religious loony bird nut job! ON top of that his satellite data is also showing the warming trend.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Temperatures.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Temperatures.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell no he&#039;s not.

The little hypocrite keeps telling us that unless we cut back on CO2 emissions, Mother Gaia will surely perish. 

If one reads closely; what Yasafi has said is that &lt;B&gt;we&lt;/B&gt; must cut our CO2 emissions. He&#039;s a Priest in the Church of AGW, and his carbon-spewing vacations to the far reaches of the globe are just too important for &lt;I&gt;him&lt;/I&gt; to cut back on CO2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell no he&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>The little hypocrite keeps telling us that unless we cut back on CO2 emissions, Mother Gaia will surely perish. </p>
<p>If one reads closely; what Yasafi has said is that <b>we</b> must cut our CO2 emissions. He&#8217;s a Priest in the Church of AGW, and his carbon-spewing vacations to the far reaches of the globe are just too important for <i>him</i> to cut back on CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189752</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you personally carbon neutral yet, Muirgoo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you personally carbon neutral yet, Muirgoo?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189751</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s no doubt that CO2 is a strong driver of climate&lt;/i&gt;

Not nearly the strongest and the effect diminishes as the CO2 content increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There&#8217;s no doubt that CO2 is a strong driver of climate</i></p>
<p>Not nearly the strongest and the effect diminishes as the CO2 content increases.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/the-will-to-think-unclouded-by-romantic-foolishiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-189750</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, try this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/11/in-their-own-words-the-ipcc-on-climate-feedbacks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hack&lt;/a&gt;.Question his credentials if you will.

And the surface record is questionable.

Took you 2 seconds eh? That&#039;s what I would expect from a believer.

I assume that you claim you know more than I do because I am disagreeing with you. I don&#039;t know what you know and you don&#039;t know what I know.

I have found that there are credible, credentialed and authoritative scientists who question the AGW doomsaying. Including John Cristy and Dr. Spencer.

Good enough for me to remain skeptical of the hyperbolic claims about looming disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, try this <a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/11/in-their-own-words-the-ipcc-on-climate-feedbacks/" rel="nofollow">hack</a>.Question his credentials if you will.</p>
<p>And the surface record is questionable.</p>
<p>Took you 2 seconds eh? That&#8217;s what I would expect from a believer.</p>
<p>I assume that you claim you know more than I do because I am disagreeing with you. I don&#8217;t know what you know and you don&#8217;t know what I know.</p>
<p>I have found that there are credible, credentialed and authoritative scientists who question the AGW doomsaying. Including John Cristy and Dr. Spencer.</p>
<p>Good enough for me to remain skeptical of the hyperbolic claims about looming disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did I say anything about a cooling trend? 
The trends were flat. The models predicted warming.
Models do not accurately account for natural variability.

The positive feedback assumption in the models is not proven or the negative feedbacks not adequately accounted for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did I say anything about a cooling trend?<br />
The trends were flat. The models predicted warming.<br />
Models do not accurately account for natural variability.</p>
<p>The positive feedback assumption in the models is not proven or the negative feedbacks not adequately accounted for.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I could buy it that you&#039;re probably a nerd but you still don&#039;t know climate science as well as I do. 

There&#039;s no doubt that CO2 is a strong driver of climate, there has been  no recent cooling that debunks the climate models, the surface record is accurate as depicted by the IPCC report and supported by loads of ancillary findings. You&#039;ve simply parroted all the well warn debunked climate denier talking points you&#039;ve been spoon fed from isolating your self to agreeable sources. 

That website you linked to &quot;The Resilient Earth&quot; took about 2 seconds to figure out how full of crap its to authors were seeing  how they completely mis-represented the results of  recently published article in Science Magazine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I could buy it that you&#8217;re probably a nerd but you still don&#8217;t know climate science as well as I do. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that CO2 is a strong driver of climate, there has been  no recent cooling that debunks the climate models, the surface record is accurate as depicted by the IPCC report and supported by loads of ancillary findings. You&#8217;ve simply parroted all the well warn debunked climate denier talking points you&#8217;ve been spoon fed from isolating your self to agreeable sources. </p>
<p>That website you linked to &#8220;The Resilient Earth&#8221; took about 2 seconds to figure out how full of crap its to authors were seeing  how they completely mis-represented the results of  recently published article in Science Magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong! There&#039;s not been any cooling trend and the models don&#039;t negate or ignore natural variability that could dampen the overall trend.

http://www.realclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/GISStrends.jpg

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/#more-1265</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong! There&#8217;s not been any cooling trend and the models don&#8217;t negate or ignore natural variability that could dampen the overall trend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/GISStrends.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/GISStrends.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/#more-1265" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/#more-1265</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The alleged scientific &quot;consensus&quot; about human-induced global warming is difficult to reconcile with the existence of over 31,000 American scientists who&#039;ve signed this petition: http://www.petitionproject.org/&quot;


What&#039;s interesting is that you would choose, for your argument from authority,  a petition project that has random names, mostly the membership of the Competitive Enterprise Institue as oppsed to the Consensus statements from Professional Organizations like the AGU, NSA, AAAS and AMS.

http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/pdf/Climate_Letter.pdf

Please note.... my name George Balella MD is on the petiton project.. I signed it years ago just to show there was no screening to see who signed. It&#039;s not a list of any authorites... it&#039;s like I said mostly a membership list. 


If climate change where shown to be a hoax, or a fraud or to be way off the mark it would be a massive condemnation of our scientific institutions.... a failure far more grand at than the failure of our economic institutions to predict the current economy from the obvious trends that showed it to be heading off a cliff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The alleged scientific &#8220;consensus&#8221; about human-induced global warming is difficult to reconcile with the existence of over 31,000 American scientists who&#8217;ve signed this petition: <a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitionproject.org/</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that you would choose, for your argument from authority,  a petition project that has random names, mostly the membership of the Competitive Enterprise Institue as oppsed to the Consensus statements from Professional Organizations like the AGU, NSA, AAAS and AMS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/pdf/Climate_Letter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/pdf/Climate_Letter.pdf</a></p>
<p>Please note&#8230;. my name George Balella MD is on the petiton project.. I signed it years ago just to show there was no screening to see who signed. It&#8217;s not a list of any authorites&#8230; it&#8217;s like I said mostly a membership list. </p>
<p>If climate change where shown to be a hoax, or a fraud or to be way off the mark it would be a massive condemnation of our scientific institutions&#8230;. a failure far more grand at than the failure of our economic institutions to predict the current economy from the obvious trends that showed it to be heading off a cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to understand something about me muirgeo, I&#039;m a science nerd from way back in the &#039;60s.
I breezed through my biology class, and other science classes, until I found how boring many science teachers can be. 

Since then, I&#039;ve kept abreast of developments in all the fields of science. Science is my second interest after political economy.

I&#039;ve made whatever career I&#039;ve had in electronics and taught myself how to write software for the electronic devices I&#039;ve been creating.

So when you try to compare me to creationists, it just doesn&#039;t fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to understand something about me muirgeo, I&#8217;m a science nerd from way back in the &#8217;60s.<br />
I breezed through my biology class, and other science classes, until I found how boring many science teachers can be. </p>
<p>Since then, I&#8217;ve kept abreast of developments in all the fields of science. Science is my second interest after political economy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made whatever career I&#8217;ve had in electronics and taught myself how to write software for the electronic devices I&#8217;ve been creating.</p>
<p>So when you try to compare me to creationists, it just doesn&#8217;t fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>muirdog is desperately flipping through his colossal stack of AGW studies. The ones that &quot;prove&quot; AGW is very real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muirdog is desperately flipping through his colossal stack of AGW studies. The ones that &#8220;prove&#8221; AGW is very real.</p>
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