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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70937</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muirgeo is the devil.  Oh - him and Paul Krugman.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70938</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarian: &quot;Liberty is superior&quot;&lt;br&gt;Muirdope:  &quot;How do you know?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarian: &#8220;Liberty is superior&#8221;<br />Muirdope:  &#8220;How do you know?&#8221;</p>
<p>???</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muirgeo is the devil.  Oh - him and Paul Krugman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muirgeo is the devil.  Oh &#8211; him and Paul Krugman.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarian: &quot;Liberty is superior&quot;&lt;br&gt;Muirdope:  &quot;How do you know?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarian: &#8220;Liberty is superior&#8221;<br />Muirdope:  &#8220;How do you know?&#8221;</p>
<p>???</p>
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		<title>By: Barbarossa</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70784</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbarossa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone confirmed yet whether Muirgeo is a government agent?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Laursen</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70770</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laursen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;aren&#039;t proposing&quot; ... sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;aren&#39;t proposing&#8221; &#8230; sigh</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laursen</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laursen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is that libertarians are proposing that some central authority &quot;do something&quot;. We admit we don&#039;t know what&#039;s best for each individual, and so we don&#039;t advocate some grand policy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For that reason, we don&#039;t need to answer, &quot;How do you know?&quot; We&#039;re proclaiming right up front, &quot;We don&#039;t know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that libertarians are proposing that some central authority &#8220;do something&#8221;. We admit we don&#39;t know what&#39;s best for each individual, and so we don&#39;t advocate some grand policy.</p>
<p>For that reason, we don&#39;t need to answer, &#8220;How do you know?&#8221; We&#39;re proclaiming right up front, &#8220;We don&#39;t know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Garst</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70723</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Garst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason and evidence. I&#039;m sure any number of people here could give you a laundry list of books and articles detailing both of those, starting with the works of the namesake of this website.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70709</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; &quot;libertarian society&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just speaking for me, but I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s nads about &quot;society&quot;.  I just imagine being free from the exploitation of the politicians.  How do I know that would be a good thing?  Well, I would be deciding for myself how to spend the 40% of what I create that they take from me.  How do I know that I could make better choices for myself than they make for me?  Confidence.  Confidence in my own abilities.  Confidence in the character of my neighbors.  Confidence in the character of the productive class, and a complete lack of confidence in the character of the political class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; &#8220;libertarian society&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just speaking for me, but I don&#39;t give a rat&#39;s nads about &#8220;society&#8221;.  I just imagine being free from the exploitation of the politicians.  How do I know that would be a good thing?  Well, I would be deciding for myself how to spend the 40% of what I create that they take from me.  How do I know that I could make better choices for myself than they make for me?  Confidence.  Confidence in my own abilities.  Confidence in the character of my neighbors.  Confidence in the character of the productive class, and a complete lack of confidence in the character of the political class.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a good question.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, too many people think they do know and it usually sounds something like, &quot;Well, I can&#039;t even imagine.  The financial system would have collapsed. Things would have been much worse. Are you stupid enough to think we&#039;d be as well off as we are now if we let these massive banks fail?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And then they stop thinking about and go on about their busy lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#39;s a good question.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people think they do know and it usually sounds something like, &#8220;Well, I can&#39;t even imagine.  The financial system would have collapsed. Things would have been much worse. Are you stupid enough to think we&#39;d be as well off as we are now if we let these massive banks fail?&#8221;</p>
<p>And then they stop thinking about and go on about their busy lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70695</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a good question.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, too many people think they do know and it usually sounds something like, &quot;Well, I can&#039;t even imagine.  The financial system would have collapsed. Things would have been much worse. Are you stupid enough to think we&#039;d be as well off as we are now if we let these massive banks fail?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And then they stop thinking about and go on about their busy lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#39;s a good question.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people think they do know and it usually sounds something like, &#8220;Well, I can&#39;t even imagine.  The financial system would have collapsed. Things would have been much worse. Are you stupid enough to think we&#39;d be as well off as we are now if we let these massive banks fail?&#8221;</p>
<p>And then they stop thinking about and go on about their busy lives.</p>
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		<title>By: mjohns2</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70665</link>
		<dc:creator>mjohns2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great lesson passed down&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCloskey on &quot;how do you know?&quot;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ask it of every paper you write and you&#039;ll get tenure; ask it of every paragraph and you&#039;ll become a distinguished economist; ask it, as Milton does, of every sentence you write and you can look forward to renting a tux or buying a gown for Stockholm in December.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milton.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great lesson passed down</p>
<p>McCloskey on &#8220;how do you know?&#8221;:</p>
<p>Ask it of every paper you write and you&#39;ll get tenure; ask it of every paragraph and you&#39;ll become a distinguished economist; ask it, as Milton does, of every sentence you write and you can look forward to renting a tux or buying a gown for Stockholm in December.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milton.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt.." rel="nofollow">http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same lines, the question, Why would you assume that?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By way of example, from Keynes&#039; &quot;General Theory of Employment&quot;;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;If follows, therefore, that, if the consumption psychology of the community is such that they will choose to consume, e.g. nine-tenths of an increment of income, then the multiplier k is 10, and the total employment caused by (e.g.) increased public works will be ten times the primary employment provided by the public works themselves, assuming no reduction of investment in other directions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, why on earth should we assume that a massive redistribution of resources to public works would not reduce investment in other directions?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And since I&#039;m on a roll, one more...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt; Unless the psychological propensities of the public are different from what we are supposing, we have here established the law that increased employment for investment must necessarily stimulate the industries producing for consumption and thus lead to a total increase of employment which is a multiple of the primary employment required by the investment itself.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Laws are not establish on the basis of suppositions.&lt;br&gt;2.  &quot;Public works&quot; does not equal &quot;investment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines, the question, Why would you assume that?</p>
<p>By way of example, from Keynes&#39; &#8220;General Theory of Employment&#8221;;</p>
<p><i>If follows, therefore, that, if the consumption psychology of the community is such that they will choose to consume, e.g. nine-tenths of an increment of income, then the multiplier k is 10, and the total employment caused by (e.g.) increased public works will be ten times the primary employment provided by the public works themselves, assuming no reduction of investment in other directions.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, why on earth should we assume that a massive redistribution of resources to public works would not reduce investment in other directions?</p>
<p>And since I&#39;m on a roll, one more&#8230;</p>
<p><i> Unless the psychological propensities of the public are different from what we are supposing, we have here established the law that increased employment for investment must necessarily stimulate the industries producing for consumption and thus lead to a total increase of employment which is a multiple of the primary employment required by the investment itself.</i></p>
<p>1.  Laws are not establish on the basis of suppositions.<br />2.  &#8220;Public works&#8221; does not equal &#8220;investment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70663</link>
		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A check?  I thought he wanted a bazooka in his pocket....which he wasn&#039;t going to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A check?  I thought he wanted a bazooka in his pocket&#8230;.which he wasn&#39;t going to use.</p>
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		<title>By: OnlyShawn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70662</link>
		<dc:creator>OnlyShawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, in Goldberg&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Liberal Fascism&lt;/i&gt; book, he mentions the narrative and its power over people, a la Sorel...I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s any more of a &quot;liberal&quot; thing than it is any other statist penchant, but seeing the roots of it is interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, in Goldberg&#39;s <i>Liberal Fascism</i> book, he mentions the narrative and its power over people, a la Sorel&#8230;I&#39;m not sure it&#39;s any more of a &#8220;liberal&#8221; thing than it is any other statist penchant, but seeing the roots of it is interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meisenzahl</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70661</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meisenzahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point.</description>
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		<title>By: OnlyShawn</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70660</link>
		<dc:creator>OnlyShawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Kling.  I was hoping for some Schwarzenegger.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Commando 2: Capitol Hill&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Kling.  I was hoping for some Schwarzenegger.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Commando 2: Capitol Hill&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mjohns2</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70654</link>
		<dc:creator>mjohns2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great lesson passed down&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCloskey on &quot;how do you know?&quot;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ask it of every paper you write and you&#039;ll get tenure; ask it of every paragraph and you&#039;ll become a distinguished economist; ask it, as Milton does, of every sentence you write and you can look forward to renting a tux or buying a gown for Stockholm in December.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milton.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great lesson passed down</p>
<p>McCloskey on &#8220;how do you know?&#8221;:</p>
<p>Ask it of every paper you write and you&#39;ll get tenure; ask it of every paragraph and you&#39;ll become a distinguished economist; ask it, as Milton does, of every sentence you write and you can look forward to renting a tux or buying a gown for Stockholm in December.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milton.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt.." rel="nofollow">http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milt..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://cafehayek.com/2009/11/wisdom-from-arnold.html/comment-page-1#comment-70653</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same lines, the question, Why would you assume that?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By way of example, from Keynes&#039; &quot;General Theory of Employment&quot;;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;If follows, therefore, that, if the consumption psychology of the community is such that they will choose to consume, e.g. nine-tenths of an increment of income, then the multiplier k is 10, and the total employment caused by (e.g.) increased public works will be ten times the primary employment provided by the public works themselves, assuming no reduction of investment in other directions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, why on earth should we assume that a massive redistribution of resources to public works would not reduce investment in other directions?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And since I&#039;m on a roll, one more...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt; Unless the psychological propensities of the public are different from what we are supposing, we have here established the law that increased employment for investment must necessarily stimulate the industries producing for consumption and thus lead to a total increase of employment which is a multiple of the primary employment required by the investment itself.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Laws are not establish on the basis of suppositions.&lt;br&gt;2.  &quot;Public works&quot; does not equal &quot;investment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines, the question, Why would you assume that?</p>
<p>By way of example, from Keynes&#39; &#8220;General Theory of Employment&#8221;;</p>
<p><i>If follows, therefore, that, if the consumption psychology of the community is such that they will choose to consume, e.g. nine-tenths of an increment of income, then the multiplier k is 10, and the total employment caused by (e.g.) increased public works will be ten times the primary employment provided by the public works themselves, assuming no reduction of investment in other directions.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, why on earth should we assume that a massive redistribution of resources to public works would not reduce investment in other directions?</p>
<p>And since I&#39;m on a roll, one more&#8230;</p>
<p><i> Unless the psychological propensities of the public are different from what we are supposing, we have here established the law that increased employment for investment must necessarily stimulate the industries producing for consumption and thus lead to a total increase of employment which is a multiple of the primary employment required by the investment itself.</i></p>
<p>1.  Laws are not establish on the basis of suppositions.<br />2.  &#8220;Public works&#8221; does not equal &#8220;investment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A check?  I thought he wanted a bazooka in his pocket....which he wasn&#039;t going to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A check?  I thought he wanted a bazooka in his pocket&#8230;.which he wasn&#39;t going to use.</p>
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