Health care wisdom

by Russ Roberts on August 24, 2009

in Health

Do not miss this superb article from the Atlantic by David Goldhill.

A few highlights:

Indeed, I suspect that our collective search for villains—for someone to blame—has distracted us and our political leaders from addressing the fundamental causes of our nation’s health-care crisis. All of the actors in health care—from doctors to insurers to pharmaceutical companies—work in a heavily regulated, massively subsidized industry full of structural distortions. They all want to serve patients well. But they also all behave rationally in response to the economic incentives those distortions create. Accidentally, but relentlessly, America has built a health-care system with incentives that inexorably generate terrible and perverse results. Incentives that emphasize health care over any other aspect of health and well-being. That emphasize treatment over prevention. That disguise true costs. That favor complexity, and discourage transparent competition based on price or quality. That result in a generational pyramid scheme rather than sustainable financing. And that—most important—remove consumers from our irreplaceable role as the ultimate ensurer of value.

And this:

In 2007, employer-based health insurance cost, on average, more than $12,000 per family, up 78 percent since 2001. I’ve run several companies and company divisions of various sizes over the course of my career, so I can confidently tell you that raises (and even entry-level hiring) are tightly limited by rising health-care costs. You may think your employer is paying for your health care, but in fact your company’s share of the insurance premium comes out of your potential wage increase. Where else could it come from?

Let’s say you’re a 22-year-old single employee at my company today, starting out at a $30,000 annual salary. Let’s assume you’ll get married in six years, support two children for 20 years, retire at 65, and die at 80. Now let’s make a crazy assumption: insurance premiums, Medicare taxes and premiums, and out-of-pocket costs will grow no faster than your earnings—say, 3 percent a year. By the end of your working days, your annual salary will be up to $107,000. And over your lifetime, you and your employer together will have paid $1.77 million for your family’s health care. $1.77 million! And that’s only after assuming the taming of costs! In recent years, health-care costs have actually grown 2 to 3 percent faster than the economy. If that continues, your 22-year-old self is looking at an additional $2 million or so in expenses over your lifetime—roughly $4 million in total.

Would you have guessed these numbers were so large? If not, you have good cause: only a quarter would be paid by you directly (and much of that after retirement). The rest would be spent by others on your behalf, deducted from your earnings before you received your paycheck. And that’s a big reason why our health-care system is so expensive.

And this:

Many reformers believe if we could only adopt a single-payer system, we could deliver health care more cheaply than we do today. The experience of other developed countries suggests that’s true: the government as single payer would have lower administrative costs than private insurers, as well as enormous market clout and the ability to bring down prices, although at the cost of explicitly rationing care.

But even leaving aside the effects of price controls on innovation and customer service, today’s Medicare system should leave us skeptical about the long-term viability of that approach. From 2000 to 2007, despite its market power, Medicare’s hospital and physician reimbursements per enrollee rose by 5.4 percent and 8.5 percent, respectively, per year. As currently structured, Medicare is a Ponzi scheme. The Medicare tax rate has been raised seven times since its enactment, and almost certainly will need to be raised again in the next decade. The Medicare tax contributions and premiums that today’s beneficiaries have paid into the system don’t come close to fully funding their care, which today’s workers subsidize. The subsidy is getting larger even as it becomes more difficult to maintain: next year there will be 3.7 working people for each Medicare beneficiary; if you’re in your mid-40s today, there will be only 2.4 workers to subsidize your care when you hit retirement age. The experience of other rich nations should also make us skeptical. Whatever their histories, nearly all developed countries are now struggling with rapidly rising health-care costs, including those with single-payer systems. From 2000 to 2005, per capita health-care spending in Canada grew by 33 percent, in France by 37 percent, in the U.K. by 47 percent—all comparable to the 40 percent growth experienced by the U.S. in that period. Cost control by way of bureaucratic price controls has its limits.

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  • Mark
    I read this last week and I too was intrigued by it.

    Goldhill raises several good points. I agree that catostrophic insurance premiums and medical care payments would need to be subsidized for the poor under his plan. Sure, I would love a libertarian paradise, but do not ever think we will get there and I am personally satisfied getting closer to there.

    I do However disagree with his proposed limits. Goldhill proposes a $50,000 catastrophic medical insurance premium mandated by the government, but I think that this is unrealistically high.

    Change $50,000 to $25,000 and I am on board! It would take me forever to save up to 50,000 in a HSA, in addition to saving for a home and saving for retirement. That is a figure that is just not obtainable by most people.

    I am also entertained by how much medical insurance is available to me by my current employer but I never use. I am a healthy 29 year old and pay 600 in annual co-pays on my insurance. From what I understand, my employer's share is around $8,000. I recently looked at my explanation of benefits for all my claims over the last three years. Including the one emergecy room visit, they barely add up to $6,000, and between me and my employer, nearly $26,000 has been spent on premiums. Now I understand that it is this imbalance that allows group plans to work, but it just seems a little silly to me.
  • John Watts
    Yes, the question of the cutoff between routine/HSA and catastrophic/insurance coverage would need to be worked on. There are conditions that call for $100,000 care for 3 years. Would that require $150,000 out of your HSA? No real person would have that. Protecting people against the catastrophic expense would need to be more nuanced.

    But the overall scheme has merit and should be a part of the national discussion.

    Most of Judy Dugan's arguments hold very little water.
  • Scepticos
    For the rest of the story, see: On the blog — August 24, 2009

    Goldhill is a (sincere) crackpot, and The Atlantic is his enabler
    Posted by Judy Dugan

    I shouldn't have read the Atlantic magazine cover story just before bedtime last night, just like I shouldn't watch "Saw" before hitting the pillow. It's a radical and repulsive health care proposal by media executive David Goldhill, who, after a year of pondering health care, is trumpeting his "Eureka!" idea: Make patients pay more--up to $50,000 a year--of the direct cost of care, to drive down prices. It's like consumer resistance on DVD prices, he says, and look how cheap DVDs are now!

    Atlantic, like all magazines in the current economic climate, is suffering. Its editors certainly knew the article would create shock, if not awe, and drive traffic to the Web and the newsstand. But is this a contribution to serious debate? No. It's the typical product of an autodidact--the obsessively self-taught expert who believes he's reinvented the wheel. I also wonder why NPR did an uncritical "Gee whiz" interview with Goldhill, who is CEO of what used to be known as the Game Show Network.

    Here's the gist of his new consumer-directed plan.

    To fix both healthcare costs and hospital errors, we should:

    Make patients, ultimately including people on Medicare, pay about the first $50,000 of the cost of their yearly "noncatastrophic" health care (unless they're poor, in which case government will help).
    Require everyone, including those on Medicare, to buy a catastrophic care insurance policy to cover anything over the $50,000 in a year.

    Require everyone (again, except the poor) to put a percentage of income into a tax-free "Health Savings Account" and use that money for most health care. If the cost of care is more than what's in the account, the care will be financed by deductions on the next several years of the consumers' payment into the HSA.
    People would save up over a period of years to, for instance, pay for the delivery of a child. Or a hip replacement.
    Once the HSA reaches a certain unspecified size in unspent funds, the consumer can spend the tax-free money as he or she wishes. Or the kids can inherit it.
    This, says Goldhill, will turn patients into savvy shoppers, make people live healthier, force the adoption of cutting-edge medical technology and seriously drive down prices. He uses the DVD example and also certain elective health procedures to support his point. Laser eye surgery, he notes, has gotten more competitive and cheaper because it's not covered by insurance. What he's missing is that laser eye surgery is elective and not insurance-covered because it's so wildly different from a mastectomy. Or even a hip replacement.

    The title of the article, "How American Health Care Killed My Father," gets off to a gripping start--how Goldhill's father died of hospital-acquired infections after walking into the hospital with pneumonia. Goldhill had a right to be furious--these infections and other medical errors are rampant in some hospitals that don't follow well-proven anti-infection practices and patient-tracking.

    But Goldhill's assertion that if patients had to pay their own bills hospitals would have to fix the problems is wildly off the mark. For one thing, numerous attempts in Congress to strengthen publicly available hospital error reporting have failed under heavy lobbying. State laws vary wildly and depend on self-reporting. Hospitals would certainly not be more forthcoming with the truth if patients were picking and choosing on price.

    Goldhill says:

    Accidentally, but relentlessly, America has built a health-care system with incentives that inexorably generate terrible and perverse results. Incentives that emphasize health care over any other aspect of health and well-being. That emphasize treatment over prevention. That disguise true costs. That favor complexity, and discourage transparent competition based on price or quality. That result in a generational pyramid scheme rather than sustainable financing. And that—most important—remove consumers from our irreplaceable role as the ultimate ensurer of value.

    Goldhill sounds sane until the part about consumers as "the ultimate ensurers of value," which is the heart of his proposal--if "ensuring value" means being on the hook for everything short of a week in intensive care.

    Yes, something is seriously askew in the vast gap between hospitals' hugely inflated official bills and what insurance pays. He's also right in saying that hospitals and doctors should publish their prices for common procedures and that patients should have the right to know the price of a hospitalization before they check in. And that hospitals and doctors have a financial incentive to over-treat. But in cases of emergency, sudden illness like a heart attack or stroke or a serious accident, patients get taken to the nearest major hospital, no arguing with EMTs over the price/quality quotient. Even for the most voluntary hospitalization, patients want to go where their trusted doctor practices.

    Goldhill also asserts that shame would likely prevent a hospital from presenting a big bill to an individual for a stay that involved a serious error or infection. As most of us know, a heartless billing department would still be a heartless billing department, several steps removed from the error. Auto mechanics often have more shame.

    Even if self-pay did drive down ridiculous initial hospital bills, the price would not go below current Medicare rates. Goldhill is udoubtedly right that there would be less use of medical care, as families carefully hoard their health savings accounts for "a real emergency." It would go something like this:

    A high school student has sudden flu symptoms--maybe swine flu?--hard for Mom to tell. The kid is having a little trouble breathing, but let's give it some time and see if she gets better on her own. (Maybe she'll get better, or maybe she'll get much worse and end up on a respirator, since swine flu appears to be deadliest among young people and pregnant women.)

    A young wife trips and falls and her quckly swelling wrist hurts like heck. She wraps it up, ices it and pops some painkillers. Why pay for the doctor and x-rays if it's just a bad sprain? And since the couple is trying to save enough in their HSA to have a baby... (Maybe it's a sprain. But if delicate wrist bones are broken, days of delay can mean permanent harm or at least a more expensive surgery)

    Junior takes a hard fastball to the head in summer league. He might have been knocked out for a few seconds, but seems OK, if a little woozy, in a few minutes. The coach wants him to go to the hospital, but the family is already saddled with several thousand in medical bills this year. They'll take him home and watch him closely. (Maybe he's his chipper self the next day. Maybe he has a light concussion, making him unknowingly more vulnerable to the next head hit. Or maybe he passes out in agonizing pain from brain swelling a few hours later, and spends weeks in intensive care
    Hmm. Grandma's 76 and needs a hip replacement. Can we talk her out of it? (The incentives of inheritability of the health savings account would be far more effective than supposed government "death panels" in pushing heirs to pull the plug before the HSA is siphoned off.)
    I'm sure everyone can see their own scenario in the commoditization of health care. A heart attack dismissed for too long as a muscle pull or indigestion. A small stroke ignored as a passing faintness. Spiking blood pressure self-treated with "extra" medication.

    There's a reason that Goldhill's singular solution is so singular. No other industrialized nation has tried anything like it, no matter how relatively privatized its health care. Dealing with a medical emergency or frightening illness is very little like buying a DVD, or doing without one.

    If we want better public health, we need better public education, better parental and even government controls on junk food, bigger taxes on cigarettes and liquor. How about free exercise classes?

    To reduce overconsumption of health care,

    Curb the medical and pharmaceutical advertising that Goldhill points at, but then blames consumers for responding to it.

    Use research to determine best practices and make it all public. Pay primary care doctors more so they can manage common illnesses on their own, instead of dumping time-consuming cases onto specialists, who are vastly more expensive.
    Require payment, as Goldhill himself endorses, to be based on treating a whole illness or surgery, beginning to end, rather than reimbursing every test and visit.

    There are lots of other good ideas endorsed by multiple thoughtful experts. Goldhill isn't one of them. What he's proposing is far worse for Americans than what Whole Foods CEO John Mackey laid out in the Wall Street Journal OpEd that prompted a boycott of his foodie emporiums. An economic Sophie's Choice isn't a solution that helps struggling families.
  • paulryan1
    While I agree that it may be vague for ordinary people to know when to use their health care money and go to the hospital, the premise behind this argument is that people are stupid and need to be told how to spend their money. Very liberal, elitist argument
  • Scepticos
    paulryan1,

    Now, if "the premise that people are stupid and need to be told how to spend
    their money" is false, then why is so much money spent on advertising in our
    culture? A liberal, elitist idea? Liberal, perhaps, but hardly elitist. I
    think rather because it has proven very profitable!
  • Require everyone (again, except the poor) to put a percentage of income into a tax-free "Health Savings Account" and use that money for most health care.

    That's what Singapore does.

    The country spends 4% of GDP on health care and gets as good or better health care outcomes than even the U.S. (to say nothing of European countries and Canada).

    sudden illness like a heart attack or stroke or a serious accident, patients get taken to the nearest major hospital, no arguing with EMTs over the price/quality quotient.

    You can request the Ambulance take you to a particular hospital. I know exactly the hospital I want to be taken to and so does my family. Sometimes, you're taken to the hospital that can deal with your particular problem best - but there you aren't going to be able to haggle much, emergency or no emergency.

    What he's missing is that laser eye surgery is elective and not insurance-covered because it's so wildly different from a mastectomy. Or even a hip replacement.

    No, Goldhill is not missing anything. It's not in any way "wildly different" than a mastectomy or a hip replacement. Surgery is surgery. It's precisely the point that since neither insurance nor Medicaid and Medicare distort the market that the market is able to adjust properly.

    Even if self-pay did drive down ridiculous initial hospital bills, the price would not go below current Medicare rates.

    He knows this because he's clairvoyant?

    A high school student has sudden flu symptoms--maybe swine flu?--hard for Mom to tell. The kid is having a little trouble breathing, but let's give it some time and see if she gets better on her own. (Maybe she'll get better, or maybe she'll get much worse and end up on a respirator, since swine flu appears to be deadliest among young people and pregnant women.)

    A young wife trips and falls and her quckly swelling wrist hurts like heck. She wraps it up, ices it and pops some painkillers. Why pay for the doctor and x-rays if it's just a bad sprain? And since the couple is trying to save enough in their HSA to have a baby... (Maybe it's a sprain. But if delicate wrist bones are broken, days of delay can mean permanent harm or at least a more expensive surgery)


    Well, let's put both on a single-payer system and have them wait for 6 weeks for an appointment to see their primary care physician instead. Oh, but the outcome would be the same as the one implied in the blogpost, wouldn't it?

    Or they end up doing exactly what both the insured and uninsured would do here with such symptoms - head to the emergency room! Those aren't symptoms to screw around with. Of course, in Canada, a lady who started peeing blood spent all day in the emergency room only to be told they couldn't diagnose her because they couldn't do an ultrasound and didn't know when they would be able to. It could have been a kidney stone or cancer. Hard to tell without an ultrasound, which they couldn't do. In Toronto. I'm sure this lady took comfort in the knowledge that in Canada, she had a RIGHT to health care and that no private imaging facility can be opened to take advantage of her by providing the ultrasound she needed for a diagnosis.

    Of course, Le Miserable in the blogpost could also pick up the extra shift at work or economize elsewhere - no dinner out this week or put off buying that new I-pod to pay for the X-ray.

    Really. People think absolutely nothing of paying hundreds of dollars for cable service to their HD TVs and thousands in car payments for their luxury cars, hundreds of dollars for a single pair of women's stilettos but become absolutely incensed when they are asked to shell out $30 for an X-ray.
  • Scepticos
    Methinks,

    Thanks for your thoughtful post. My apologies for not adding more of my own
    comment to my original post, rather than just posting Judy's blog post in its
    entirety. I hope you realized that is where this post originated. I thought
    that it might inspire thought and comment and appreciate the effort that you
    put into yours.

    Your comment about Singapore is an interesting one. I lived there for a year
    in 1993 and found it to be a Rebublican utopia in its user payment approach to
    both social security and health care. It is interesting that it is the
    opposite of a libertarian utopia politically, however, where the opposition
    candidates get one hour per election cycle of TV time and other media are
    totally controlled by the government. It is interesting that as Singapore has
    developed, the percentage of health care expenses paid by government has gone
    from 42% in 1995 to 34% in 2006, while general adult mortality has dropped
    from 123 per 1000 per year to 67/1000/year. Over the same period the
    government percentage of the health care system for the United States has
    remained constant at 45% while mortality has gone from 132 to 109/1000/year.
    For the UK the government percentage has stayed at around 80-85% and mortality
    has gone from 104 to 80/1000/year over the same period. Also interesting that
    the total expense on health care per capita in 2006 was $6700 in the US, $3400
    in the UK, and only $1035 in Singapore. So the UK gets much better outcomes at
    half the price of the US with more government sponsorship, but Singapore gets
    even better outcomes at a dramatically lower price and much less government
    participation. These data from the WHO website.

    It is really not fair to compare Singapore, which is a single city, to the UK
    and the United States which have so much more diversity in geography,
    populations, and climate. But the comparison is interesting. It is also good
    to note that 45% of health care in the US is already government funded
    (medicare, medicaid, military, veterans administration). So our high cost and
    poor outcomes seem to be part of our unique system, rather than who pays for
    it.

    I would prefer to see a system in which doctors worked on salary rather being
    paid per procedure. Clearly we have created a system with an unseemly
    percentage of "administrative" expense. Should we go towards Singapore's model
    or towards England's?
  • askanurse
    Yes the political power is given to them to help the cause and get a better effect to that and just not play with it.
  • Matt
    One thing I find missing from this debate is how much innovation come from the United States. What percentage of new pharmeceuticals comes from the U.S.? What about the countries with highly socialized health care? What about other medical innovations? I would really like to see it quantified. The ability for vast innovation is one of the most important bullet points in this debate and I only ever hear it in passing.
  • taniquetil
    (my first language is not english but i hope my reply will still be understandable)
    No medical discovery can be say to "come from the US".
    In term of big pharma company Europe is a key player. In term of biotech company (the one who did all the innovation work these past years) we (europe) are a shame.
    But, anyway, US or European company sell their drugs in both market regardless of where the research facilities are located.
    So we could dig for figures saying europe develop more innovation than US but the question is wich market financed it ? For example, when the biggest french pharma was about to have one of its blockbuster forbidden from US market, the share value went south... Can we count this drug on the european side even if it is US customer who financed it ?
    Plus, US biotech company are frequently owned by european money (genentech) or the other way...
    So, my opinion is that this innovation issue, though the most important one, cannot be answered just by counting innovation.
    Is an innovation made on US soil due to the high price US customers pay or to your very efficient financial market (biotech) or to your excellent "kidnapping" of the brightest mind in the world (great universities) ??
  • The question of what role America plays is important. Research goes on elsewhere and it's interlinked. It's important to know what America's role is in this web.

    We should also carefully consider that the vast majority of all medical innovation came from Europe before European countries adopted the single payer system.

    What I'd like to know is if research and development in biotech and pharmaceuticals has picked up in Europe since European countries began to privatize their health care systems. Anyone know?
  • jimpierq
    I don't have figures, but I agree with Methinks that the great majority of innovation is done in the US. Big Pharma is demonized regularly by liberals and the press, but the fact is that a great deal of the improvements in quality of life, reduction in chronic disability, management of chronic illness, and improved prospects for victims of many forms of cancer which have come about in the last 30 years are attributable to pharmaceuticals. What other nation has anything close to the US in terms of a pharmaceutical industry? Expensive, yes, but I contend worth it.

    A reform of the FDA (its elimination is too much to ask, I suppose) could go along way toward both reducing R& D costs and making new drugs available a lot sooner, improving lives.
  • Another article:
    According to a 2004 report, eight out of the ten most important medical innovations in recent history were developed in the United States.


    http://www.thedcwriteup.com/2009/07/public-opti...
  • The overwhelming majority of innovation comes from the United States. Although, the article doesn't mention the percentage of innovation in drugs, the last number I heard is roughly 90% of new pharmaceuticals are developed here.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/business/05sc...

    An analysis by the CBO attributes about half the increase in medical spending over the past few decades to changes in treatment made possible by technological advances.
  • Gil
    Of course, it could be said the prices are rising quickly due two factors:

    1. It's not user-pays therefore there's no incentive to be healthy but instead be sick and sponge off the system. Besides many people aren't paying for their medical expenses because they don't pay much in taxes (or pay a lot but use up a lot of tax services thus getting more than they receive). Basically very-high earning, healthy people are funding everyone else.

    2. Modern doctors have the ability to treat more ailments.


    A possible third is: lawsuits for malpractice insurance.

    Of course, if the system was mere user-pays then people would economise on their lifestyles as well only getting necessary treatments thus freeing up more resources for others.
  • vikingvista
    "if the system was mere user-pays then people would economise"

    This is the single most important thing. It doesn't matter how much or little you prepay--or even if you prepay nothing. Your only means to increase your utility is to consume more, even if it has only minute marginal value to you. Even if you just like the pretty color of the MRI suite.
  • jimpierq
    Martin Feldstein recently editorialized that every economist he knows agrees that third-party payment, as incentivized by the tax code, is the single biggest factor requiring reform. Interesting that the Democrats make no mention of it.
  • muirgeo
    Yep. Very good and honest article.

    I liked the description of "pre-government" run health care below and I like his pragmatism and sincerity in looking for a way that will work. But still it's a pipe dream until we wrest power from the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, their lobbyist and corrupt politicians.



    "In 1751, Benjamin Franklin and Dr. Thomas Bond founded Pennsylvania Hospital, the first in America, “to care for the sick-poor and insane who were wandering the streets of Philadelphia.”
  • jimpierq
    What power does an insurance or pharmaceutical company have? If the consumer doesn't like his product at the offered price, he is free to take his money and shop elsewhere. Unless of course those corrupt politicians, who do have real power, the power of the state, behind them, direct the consumer or mandate the producer to act in other than a voluntary manner.

    There would be no lobbyists were it not for the corrupt politicians. How do we do away with corrupt politicians, then? Exactly -- take away their power. Let free individuals arrange their affairs according to their own needs and preferences.
  • muirgeo
    They have power to lobby congress for things like Medicare D which doesn't allow the government to competitively bid for drugs, makes them a huge profit, lets you pay for it in taxes and then they spend more money to dcontinue to fool people like you into thinking everything is OK and we don't need health care reform.

    They control people like you so much they even have you defending them while they steal you blind.
  • MWG
    "They have power to lobby congress..."

    Everyone has this right to lobby the govt. As long as the government has so much power over our lives, you will have those with wealth seeking to influence govt. power. This is a simple fact your small brain can't or refuses to comprehend.

    "They control people like you so much they even have you defending them while they steal you blind."

    The old socialist "you must be forced to be free" argument. It's a good one.
  • jimpierq
    MWG - Well said! Thank you.

    muirgeo - The ideas that you have already memorized, I am sure are readily accessible. I sympathize with you, though, as far as the ones you have to go look up.

    Since I have read a number of your posts and not yet found an independent thought, I will save myself the trouble in future.
  • danphillips
    muirgeo, are you finally seeing the light? This may be the first time I've heard you demand that power be wrested from corrupt politicians. I knew there was something imminently likable about you! There's hope for you yet!
  • Not really, Dan. He sees politicians as a innocent folk corrupted by industry lobbyists. His answer is to force Big Brother to document every word the politician ever utters to anyone to ensure that lobbyists and politicians stay away from each other. Note that he thinks that pharmaceutical companies are the ones with the power.
  • vikingvista
    "we wrest power from the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, their lobbyist and corrupt politicians"

    WHAT I ASK: "Why do you think they have that power?"

    WHAT MURG HEARS: "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah?"
  • brotio
    But still it's a pipe dream until we wrest power from the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, their lobbyist and corrupt politicians.

    And doctors who make such obscene profit that they can pollute the earth with their gigantic carbon footprints as they gallivant across the globe.
  • vikingvista
    It would appear that the RATE of growth in health care costs is a function of personal drive to maximize utility.

    A given amount of rationing or volume discount is a one time savings, and both have finite limits. The appetite of man, on the other hand, is unlimited. Thus you can get your one-time discount from rationing and purchasing power, but you do nothing to control the growth rate of costs.

    The answer, is to direct those personal drives to seek their own efficiency. You do that, by rewarding people when they find something that serves them better or costs them less.

    That is precisely what a market does.
  • I am thinking aloud here.
    I am quite confused with the relation of health care costs and insurance costs. From above I see health-care costs are rising (From 2000-2005). Have health insurance premiums been rising the same amount?

    From the podcast; "Health Care vs Health Insurance" Russ says;

    "What we have come to mean by health insurance is “cheap medical care.” They are not the same thing."

    I believe I understand that statement. People buy health insurance or want it as a benefit so they will not or not have to pay for medical care. I want to say "The peace of mind knowing they and their family are covered is worth alot, even though they could have cheaper insurance through an unregulated system and if they were paying more out of pocket costs."
    I understand at a price of zero to go to the doctors (Although the price is not zero as we see above the cost is 12,000 per family per year which could have gone to higher wages) the family will use more health care.

    Now since this family is using more health care (at "zero" cost) this is raising the cost of health care overall in the system or just health insurance costs or both?
    When someone with medicare goes to the doctor that raises the cost to the taxpayer because the employer did not pay for any insurance or when someone unisured gets injured and uses medical facilities.
    So say we take out all government mandates, remove regulation, etc. That will cut the cost of insurance, but what about health care cost? I mean the price of an x-ray is still the same. (I understand medicare/caid may have fixed rates for treatments) If the doctor has to pay less malpractice insurance that will cut costs, if we had more doctors that would cut costs (Lowering wages with new supply of doctors?). What is it about the family paying more out of the pocket that will lower costs, just the less demand for medical services?
    I know I am missing alot just need help connecting the dots.
  • I will try.

    It's the simple principle of Spending Other People's Money. When you are under the illusion that someone else is picking up the tab, you don't shop and the market signal isn't reflected in prices.

    The costs of various procedures vary greatly from hospital to hospital in the same town, at times reaching an order of magnitude. When so few people have an incentive to bother to check costs, costs go unchecked.

    The premise of Health Savings Accounts is that if more people behaved as though they were spending their own money, they would ask questions and do a little comparison shopping. True, when you are in an emergency you don't have time to shop, BUT if there were more public comparisons about prices after-the-fact facilities that did over-charge would get a reputation for doing so.

    The other factor is individual portability. Right now the market is conveniently constrained in most states, locking out potential competitors for insurance. Also, there is a dearth of "options" in picking the level of insurance/risk that is appropriate for you on the individual level.

    The Red Herring is chasing this insurance reform, because it's easy to pick on those "greedy companies" for making administrative profit. Institute a real market to bring down prices, and the costs for EVERYONE go down, whether they pay through administrative plans, out of pocket, or charity cases.
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