Is the Armed Man in the Video a Racist?

by Don Boudreaux on September 18, 2009

in Media

The first 3 minutes and 10 seconds of this video are especially worth watching.  (HT Walter Williams)

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Methinks September 18, 2009 at 8:49 pm

No! He’s the Uncle Tom to Condoleezza Rice’s Prissy.

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 8:54 pm

I’m not sure why the guy with the gun would be racist. Is there a back story? I don’t think he is.

I also wonder where along the production line his face and arms got cut. I.e., was this a stock clip that only got an audio commentary attached to it much later on? I wouldn’t be surprised either way – I’m just curious if we know.

Don – I’m curious what you think of the counter-argument that’s appeared on the last few posts that says that Democrats are racists. Do you think that is justified? It seems to me there are far too many unfounded racism accusations, period. The solution to a blatantly wrong remark by Carter isn’t to make an equally blatantly wrong remark ABOUT Carter (namely, that he is the racist).

Methinks September 18, 2009 at 9:34 pm

All of the footage belonged to MSNBC. It’s not as if the cameraman lost his ability to pan up to show the guys face and hands. What kind of back story were you hoping for? One where little gnomes stole the tape and edited it to fool unsuspecting MSNBC producers?

I’m curious what you think of the counter-argument that’s appeared on the last few posts that says that Democrats are racists.counter-argument that’s appeared on the last few posts that says that Democrats are racists.

Yeah. There’s really nothing more interesting than Don’s opinion of a counter-argument which has appeared only in your imagination.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 10:44 am

I wasn’t “hoping” for a back story – I was curious if there was one that might lead Don to ask us if the guy with the gun was a racist, because there didn’t seem to be any reason to think he was.

I know MSNBC owns the footage – but that’s what I was wondering. Where in the production line was his head and arms removed. Was this an editorial decision or not? No gnomes necessary.

RE: “Yeah. There’s really nothing more interesting than Don’s opinion of a counter-argument which has appeared only in your imagination.”

There are a lot of things more important. But if I wrote a couple posts on gratuitous charges of racism I would certainly have some thoughts on addititional gratuitous charges that emerged on that very post. Ask Justin Palmer if I made up the whole list of Democrats that he suggests are racists. And I seem to remember you sharing a few anecdotes too.

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Surely your first 2 paragraphs are joking – did you miss the point that badly?

I agree that there are too many unfounded racism accusations, and I don’t know or care if Jimmy Carter is a racist. I’m sure some of the opposition to Obama was based on race. It’s also obvious that some of his support was based on race. It’s impossible to quantify how much, but it seems likely the support was much more than the opposition.

What I’ve observed is that the almost all the talk about racism wrt Obama are those who support him. I would say it is racist (or a despicable political tactic) to suggest that any criticism of Obama is driven by racism.

I do know that my criticism has nothing to do with race. Obama was a decidedly unqualified candidate and is (so far) an abysmally bad president. (He’s already worse than GWB was in 8 years, and GWB was horrible.) Sure, he gives good teleprompter, and he’s mastered the art of speaking without content so he seems to be whatever you want him to be. That’s great for fooling the gullible into voting for him, but those are not desirable qualities for a president.

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Another thread Kuehned right out of the gate.

DK, don’t you ever get nauseated when you write such obviously silly-ass drivel?

I have discarded one of my favorite expressions because of you. I have had to throw away, “You can’t be that stupid”; because you’ve shown me that you certainly can.

Gil September 19, 2009 at 4:57 am

Yeah but when DK went away for a while, some threads ended up getting vidyohed.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 10:45 am

Silly drivel? Do you disagree with me? Do you think the guy with the gun was a racist?

Seth September 18, 2009 at 10:05 pm

“I’m not sure why the guy with the gun would be racist. Is there a back story?”

I believe Don is responding what was said by one of the MSNBC hosts after showing the video. After pointing out the man in question and then saying, “…also there are questions about whether this has racial overtones. I mean, here you have a man of color in the Presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waist…”

I don’t think the host’s comment would have been made had the full picture of that man been shown.

Justin P September 19, 2009 at 6:12 am

Come on it’s “my leg is shivering” MSNBC. Balanced reporting is unknown to them and the majority of Democratic propaganda agencies.

Seth September 18, 2009 at 10:08 pm

“was this a stock clip that only got an audio commentary attached to it much later on?”

And the commentators attended the Dan Rather school of fact checking. I’ve seen people fired for less sloppy work than that.

Does anyone know if MSNBC ever corrected their error?

David September 19, 2009 at 12:46 am

No, I never heard of MSNBC apologizing or even correcting themselves. They’re pretty shameless.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 5:41 pm

“I’m not sure why the guy with the gun would be racist. Is there a back story? I don’t think he is.”

Perhaps the black man thinks that he’s a white man and hates blacks?

I am friends with a woman who has two half-black children (the older of which bears a striking resemblance to Obama (he even has the goofy ears)). Despite the efforts of his mother, grandmother, and great grandmother, the older boy doesn’t like black people who are darker than he is, to the point that his feelings towards them has caused problems for him at his school.

The black fellow in that video could have been raised in a white neighborhood by parents who associated mostly with upper-middle class and above white people and been educated at mostly-white schools. He could have developed racist feelings towards blacks as a consequence of his upbringing.

OR, the talking bobbleheads on TV, moronic politicians in Washington and elsewhere, knee-jerking newspaper columnists, and those who hang on the words of such people could just be a bunch of race-baiters themselves and be absolutely no better than Republicans and their followers.

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 9:06 pm

Wow, I always assumed the guy with the gun was white. Every story was presented that way.

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 9:50 pm

I like the way that Obama says the US is the only country without socialized medicine, like it’s a bad thing…It fits the narrative…

Anonymous September 18, 2009 at 9:58 pm

The left is racist.
The left has no character.
The left has no morality.
The left therefore will lie, cheat, steal, enslave, and brutalize to impose its will. (Note to DK. The words impose their will, means control).

So, what is new, most of us learned that long ago.

You only have to read DK’s posts to understand how effective the socialist enculturation in our public fool system has been.

And, of course MSNBC had total control over the footage and what was shown, and of course only a “useful fool” would even pretend to bother in speculation about that.

No, wait. Methinks, what do you think. Maybe DK is right, suppose a right wing looney got into MSNBC’s studios and manufactured that clip and then exerted “mind control” over the reportetes to mouth the propaganda they did? LOL.

Methinks September 18, 2009 at 10:29 pm

right wing loony. Why, isn’t that as much of a tautology as “don’t support Obama’s shit policies” and “racist”?

I still think it was the evil magical gnomes who screwed up the footage for our crack “free press”.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 1:06 am

You realize, I hope, that I spoke in the socialist voice in that “right wing looney” thing? :-D

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 10:51 am

You guys are both crazy. Right wing loony’s aren’t nearly so clever and gnomes aren’t real. A VALID question is to what extent this was an editorial decision (which would be REALLY bad – I don’t watch MSNBC anyway, but if it was an editorial decision I’d have even less respect for them), or if it was – as Seth so aptly put it – the “Dan Rather school of fact checking”. I was wondering which of these it is.

But you see, vidyohs – if you assume I’m asking whether they were framed of course it sounds like drivel. The problem is, I never posed that question – it’s all in your head.

Methinks September 21, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Thank God we have Daniel Keuhn to teach us what is crazy and what isn’t!

Danny, here’s a clue. How often do cameramen NOT get the head of a person they are shooting unless there is an obstruction? The man was not obstructed and he was making himself available for interviews. Not getting the head and hands was an editorial decision of SOMEONE at MSNBC. Okay, you can return to your mental gymnastics, thinking up ways this was somehow accidental and pure.

Anonymous September 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm

By editorial decision I meant a decision of the news editors. Methinks, I haven’t once suggested this wasn’t poor form on MSNBC’s part. Calm down – I’m on your side on that.

I’m just not on your side when you cite gnomes as the explanation of people who don’t immediately denounce the mainstream media.

Peter September 18, 2009 at 10:29 pm

Is HT short for Hate? And Walter Williams is Black! You’re racist!

You’d better be careful, because that story fits the narrative of MSNBC.

Sam Grove September 18, 2009 at 10:59 pm

Note how at 2:11, the scene cuts from the view of a man in a white shirt to a view of a man in a white tee shirt being interviewed. The initial impression is that it is the same man until one notices that the first man is in a white dress shirt.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 1:05 am

Well there is another real serious clue. The armed man seen from behind is clearly a black man, even from behind, furthermore the Ar15 is slung on a black strap over the right shoulder and the man with the tee shirt clearly does not have a black strap over his shoulder.

How about that DK, manipulation or not?

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 1:29 am

What is ironic about this is that today on the way home from delivering work I was listening to KPFT (local pacifica communist radio), great music generally but radical looney left wingers…..oh so so radical.

I went into Walmart to do some shopping and came out to find that music was over and a political talk show was on. The host was just ripping to shreds, in the meanest and most hateful denigrating terms possible, the people who disagree with obama and his plans. Oh just carrying on about Jimmy Carter being right and it was just racist racist, expressing concern about hateful rightwingers showing up at townhall meetings armed when the president, oh glorious president, was scheduled to come and speak, oh so worried about the president’s safety because those idiot rightwingers might shoot him. Frankly it was stupidly sickening, much like reading a post from muirduck.

Then I come home to catch up on my e-mails and the cafe, and I find the above link.

Irony. I am sending the link to that idiot radio show host at KPFT, but in my heart I know he won’t watch it.

Justin P September 19, 2009 at 6:14 am

That’s why the only thing on my radio is Heavy Metal, a few audiobooks, and podcasts.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 10:54 am

Ugh – I didn’t even realize there was liberal talk radio until I drove out to Chicago to see my brother. Driving into the city I could only get “Chicago Progressive Radio”, or Rush Limbaugh’s station (I think I could also get NPR). People complain about NPR as being too liberal around here – but it made me REALLY glad that we get C-SPAN and NPR in this area. I couldn’t imagine being left with those options.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 2:08 pm

I’ll do you a favor.

http://www.wpfw.org/

its right in your backyard 89.3FM, and a perfect fit for you.

Anonymous September 20, 2009 at 3:04 pm

They have some good music on there – I’ve never listened to the talk shows. I glanced through it on your link, though. Doesn’t really look like my thing. I’m not sure why you figure it is.

MM September 19, 2009 at 6:06 pm

Yes, those 3:10 are worth watching. Then come some 9 minutes of conspiracy theory as simplistic as it gets: the whole history of the Left half of the political spectrum as a linear baton-passing sequence.

enquiring_canuck September 19, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Don, I have to thank you for the new web site to add to my “view and enjoy” list. It takes me back to my days in university when I was introduced to Garner Ted Armstrong (a Sunday morning evangelist) as the best comedy entertainment on television. It mixes facts with opinion (portraying the opinion as more facts) in the hope of creating a convert.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Tear it up for us, slick. I for one would be interested in seeing how you can support your dismissal. Clue us hicks in, separate the wheat from the chaff there. Show us what is opinion and what is not fact or at least reasonable deduction?Are you saying that you have never ever seen, heard, or read any reason to believe that there is an international communist movement to dominance? Wow! Educate us. Please.

enquiring_canuck September 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm

“Clue us hicks in”!! I didn’t know that you were a hick. Is this a self designation or are you accepting a description that someone gave you?

For your request to show fact and opinion from the video clip, I am giving examples only from the first few minutes. (You want more, you come paint my house while I get them)
Fact: Rodney King was the victim of a savage beating
Opinion: Rodney King was one the most famous people in America.
Fact: Gladney was a victim of a beating
Opinion: lack of reporting of Gladney’s beating fit a narrative.
Fact: Obama made a statement to legislators “If you get hit we will push back”
Opinion: part of that strategy was to have SIEU attend public meetings on health care.
Hearsay: “What kind of nigger are you” comment from SIEU member.
Opinion: union member is left wing.
Opinion: narrative exists and is used to hide Gladneys beating.
Opinion: narrative is the reason that Gladneys story will not appear in Time or Newsweek magazines.
Fact: MSNBC misrepresented the race of the man shouldering arms at the town hall meeting.

You asked “Are you saying that you have never ever seen, heard, or read any reason to believe that there is an international communist movement to dominance?” I have heard of many. I have heard of international conspiracies to make everyone Islamic, to make everyone christian, to make everyone speak a common language, to give complete monetary control to Jews, to have libertarians control all governments, to hide the existence of extra-terrestrial life, to force democracies as the only form of government worldwide, to make everyone a vegan.
I find it humerous to listen to people espouse their theories, making great leaps of logic from facts to speculation and then on to their theory. They are as funny as Marx brothers movies.

Anonymous September 20, 2009 at 6:47 pm

Wow, all that bile in your mouth must make your food taste terrible.

enquiring_canuck September 20, 2009 at 9:24 pm

bile? I should have put a bunch of :) in the my reply. I DID say that I found it all humerous. Of course, if you want to comment on my poor vision due to tears of laughter and pity….

Anonymous September 21, 2009 at 1:07 am

Enquiring_canuck,The hick thing was two pronged, The first reason it was used was in response to your snarky inference that Don and others that see truth in that video are just foolish right-wingers who won’t accept the socialist mantra that there is no socialism in America and that there is no such thing as a biased media. The second reason I do it is that it is an east Texas thing where we spread dry corn around in the woods and see what kind of feral hogs come and nibble at the bait. “Opinion: Rodney King was one (sic) the most famous people in America”Fact: for a period of several months this was true. No claim that he was the most famous, just one of the most famous. No claim as to how long that fame lasted, just that it lasted long enough.“Opinion: lack of reporting of Gladney’s beating fit a narrative.”Fact: it fits the bias media’s narrative to a T. Only a leftlooney fool would try and convince intelligent, experienced, and observant people that there is no such thing as a biased media narrative.Fact: James Byrd, dragged to death in East Texas, like Rodney King, one of the most famous dead people in America for a time. Fact: white man burned to death late at night in a necklace of old tires in Indianapolis by band of black thugs, who did so shortly after the Byrd death, and did it in the middle of a major street. Fact: zero interest in that gruesome death because it didn’t fit the narrative of blacks as victims. Fact: crazed black in Pittsburg shortly after that takes a gun and kills numerous white people, runs into a McDonalds and tells panicking blacks, “don’t worry, I am only looking for white people.” Kills a couple of more before being subdued. Fact: zero interest by the biased media because it didn’t fit the narrative that blacks are victims. (These are just a few of the constant virtually daily reminders of the narrative)And you sit in your little leftleaning shack and tell us that there is no narrative?Fact: no one could come forward and testify, no one ever offered to, that George W. Bush used drugs other than alcohol. Fact: Gore’s college roommate offered to testify that Gore not only used it but sold it. Fact: zero interest in that by the biased media during the campaign…no make that no interest ever because it didn’t fit their narrative that a left winger should be president. No narrative huh? Only the village idiot could advance that one in the real world. The narrative is as obvious as the nose on a Frenchman’s face.“Opinion: part of that strategy was to have SIEU attend public meetings on health care.”Fact: the idea and tactic came from somewhere. Are we to believe that it evolved randomly out of thin air, or did it come from the president’s avowed statement taken to its natural conclusion? Have you heard the president specifically rebuke the SIEU? Is not the tactic the same kind of rough house in-your-face practiced by ACORN in its organizing. Have not the SIEU and ACORN been proven to work hand-in-hand in corruption? The tactics used here are typical leftwing and are deliberately used under the certain knowing that the media and the government will give them cover. Thanks to the internet those days are slowing closing down, there is a new narrative and this one says that socialism is going to be exposed.“Hearsay: “What kind of nigger are you?” comment from SIEU thug. Hearsay? It’s the quote Gladney gave after it was over. Would it be out of character for a union thug to say that to a black man opposing his master? I won’t claim there were witnesses to testify to that, but I also will not be surprised to learn there are…..of course I am sure the three thugs will support each other and deny it.Opinion: union member is left wing.”Fact: union members are left wing. “The labor union is the most perfect form of communism”, Karl Marx .Fact: A man may offer his soul solace by claiming not to support left wing policies, but as long as he remains a union man he is supporting left wing policies. By the very nature of its existence the union is left wing, indisputable fact.“Opinion: narrative exists and is used to hide Gladney’s beating”Fact: without the internet Gladney and his beating would be just like the poor white kid in Indianapolis, and as far as the biased media was concerned still is. The narrative promulgates the stupid bleatings of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and Carter about crazy vicious rightwing nuts, and not one word of that narrative is about the union thugs and their unprovoked behavior.No narrative? “Fact: MSNBC misrepresented the race of the man shouldering arms at the town hall meeting”. Fact: and have yet to acknowledge that, not even to claim it was accidental, the narrative says to ignore it.Fact: I anticipate videotaping some depositions in that lawsuit, one of the rare few that I would consider justified.Oh how snarky. You’ve heard of international movements to install communism, but gosh you’ve heard of conspiracies to install islam as well., and to make us vegan, and to make us wear tinfoil hats, and and and.So, the Rosenbergs were just a figment of our imaginations or else just random disaffected jews that picked the communist Soviet Union to receive the Atom Bomb secrets out of sheer coincidence? Yeah that old socialist world wide movement, what a bore. The bogeyman. Fact: The very motive, the impetus, of the Communist Manifesto was the dream of Marx to see communism triumph world wide and not one prominent socialist/communist has ever disavowed that goal; but, of course that is just our foolish fears here on the Café, right?The anthem of the socialist/communist movement is the “Internationale”, but hey, that’s just coincidence again isn’t it. Abimal Guzman in Peru founded his “Shining Path” band of communist crazies without ever hearing of Marxism, right Canuck? Castro, the same. Just a coincidence that he became a communist and killed tons of Cubans to install that stupidity on good people? And, last but not least, Mao just happened to dream it up one night when he was a kid? Well of course he did.Your feigned good humor at all the stupid people who don’t see the world through your socialist eyes is as fake as your logic and knowledge. You pathetic looney lefties offer the world the façade of intellectual superiority, but in reality you don’t have any facts to support your degenerative beliefs and the theft, the evil, it requires in order to get it installed and to keep in going until it runs out of money.Which brings to this, there is no such thing as a socialist intellectual.Any man who has an intellect and used it has to move away from socialism. Socialism has nothing to support its appeal but emotion and other people’s money, and emotion is dry in the mouth at dinnertime, and other people’s money runs out.Like I said at the beginning, enquiring_canuck, it is interesting to see what feral hogs come to my bait. But, I am being unkind to feral hogs. I’ll apologize when I eat my morning bacon tomorrow.

Anonymous September 21, 2009 at 8:08 pm

MSNBC is known to run leftist (same as Fox on the right), so misrepresentation isn’t a surprise to me by either of these 2 networks. However, Pajamas TV also quickly reveals itself to be a biased media platform so I immediately question the video as well.

None of us here really know how the video was edited to suit their own message. As far as I know, CNN had no problems reporting on the race of this armed man…and if you watch the video below, you’ll soon realize that there was more than 1 armed man at the rally, so once again – how did Pajamas TV manipulate the original story to fit their own agenda?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-18-2009/the-gun-show—barrel-fever

Anonymous September 22, 2009 at 12:09 am

“and if you watch the video below, you’ll soon realize that there was more than 1 armed man at the rally,” No we don’t know that. We heard an unidentified man claiming to have seen another man with one of “these” weapons. No proof, just words.What is one of “these” weapons? And, was the individual whose voice we heard actually knowledgeable enough weapons to even know the difference between an AR15 and a pellet gun? We don’t know.I can put thousands of people in front of you that would have no clue as to the difference between weapons.But we saw no evidence of another weapon, except on the hip of the interviewer.Your video clip is another typical leftist creation to denigrate rather than address the issues. The townhall meetings were not intended to be debates, so that claim is bullshit. They were intended to explain to people that universal healthcare was going to be imposed and then to give some lies about what it would all entail.They were turned into debates and confrontations by people who knew enough about the truth to show up angry.Good for them. That is what democracy is all about, democracy isn’t about casting a vote in a closed box every two or three years.

Anonymous September 22, 2009 at 4:07 am

While The Daily Show does tip left, I do not think that the video clip was biased. I think the whole “common sense” point it was trying to make was that guns do not belong at a townhall meeting about healthcare. It’s just hard for the regular person to see through all the rage and noise to realize it.

My purpose of sharing the clip was because it’s a different point of view about the same person and same event that doesn’t make anybody look like a racist…and guess what? It’s possible!

Personally, I’m sick of all the fingerpointing and name calling from both sides. But the right come off as a bit more repulsive and hypocritical to me from an ideological perspective. CafeHayek used to be my last bastion of level-headed and educated discussion, but I see that going away pretty quickly too in recent months.

(Townhall meeting ~ debate ~ confrontation…this is just semantics. Just because there’s no moderator or time allotments doesn’t make it any less of a debate.)

Methinks September 21, 2009 at 10:19 pm

“poor form”? Is that what we’re calling lying and race baiting these days?

And you have the kahunas to obsess about gnomes.

Anonymous September 22, 2009 at 10:42 am

Ummm – yes. Lying and race baiting would be one example of poor form. Bad fact checking is an example too if the tape went to the newsroom in this condition. “Poor form” is a nice all inclusive sort of term I thought.

And be careful not to project, methinks – you’re the one that obsessed about the gnomes, remember. I simply broke the harsh news that gnomes aren’t real.

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