Adam Smith and Financial Regulation

by Don Boudreaux on November 16, 2009

in Books, Financial Markets, Monetary Policy, Regulation

Here’s a letter that I sent yesterday to the New York Times Book Review:

Paul Barrett’s review of two books on today’s financial crisis is a verbal bubble inflated by its author’s irrational exuberance for naïve conventional wisdom and his greedy reliance upon morality-play explanations (“Rational Irrationality,” Nov. 15).

The review never mentions any of the many decidedly anti-laissez-faire interventions leading up to the crisis, such as Uncle Sam’s creation and backing of Fannie and Freddie; or politicians pressuring lenders to make mortgages “more affordable”; or the Fed’s 1998 intervention to save Long Term Capital Management (and the dangerous signal that this intervention sent to Wall Street); or the Fed’s loose monetary policies leading up to the crash.

This latter omission is especially egregious given Mr. Barrett’s favorable reference to John Cassidy’s claim that Adam Smith himself allegedly supported heavy regulation of financial markets.  The quotation from the Wealth of Nations that convinces Mr. Cassidy and Mr. Barrett that Adam Smith was a proto-Barney Frank on matters of financial regulation appears in Smith’s discussion of paper money.  In this quotation Smith endorses restrictions on banks’ issuance of paper money to the general public.  Paper money, Smith believed, is appropriate only for “dealers.”  Regardless of the merit of Smith’s argument here, it is clearly not an endorsement by Smith of widespread regulation of financial markets.

Sincerely,

Donald J. Boudreaux

And my colleague Larry White points out this other passage from Smith, also from Book II, Chapter II of Wealth of Nations:

If bankers are restrained from issuing any circulating bank notes, or notes payable to the bearer, for less than a certain sum; and if they are subjected to the obligation of an immediate and unconditional payment of such bank notes as soon as presented, their trade may, with safety to the publick, be rendered in all other respects perfectly free. The late multiplication of banking companies in both parts of the United Kingdom, an event by which many people have been much alarmed, instead of diminishing, increases the security of the publick. It obliges all of them to be more circumspect in their conduct, and, by not extending their currency beyond its due proportion to their cash, to guard themselves against those malicious runs, which the rivalship of so many competitors is always ready to bring upon them.

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  • muirgeo
    “Minsky advanced the view that free- market capitalism is inherently unstable and that the primary source of this instability is the irresponsible actions of bankers, traders and other financial types. Should the government fail to regulate the financial sector effectively, Minsky warned, it would be subject to periodic blowups, some of which could plunge the entire economy into lengthy recessions.” Sound familiar?

    That's all that needs to be said. And the fact that there are people who still believe we should scale back regulation of the finance sector and all will work out fine is beyond mind-boggling.

    Kinda like the believers (in the next post) who think nothing queer of needing their holy water to come from an automatic dispenser to protect them from the flu. Holy water ain't holy and free markets aren't free.

    But alas the horse is out of the barn. Too many years of free market policy has allowed such massive accumulations of wealth and power that it's probably too late. Our kids are likely to be subjects of the new world order of Multi-National Lords. All bow to Lord Lloyd Blankfein because he is either God or doing God's work.
  • YASAFI

    Politically controlled economies are unstable. People can say anything they like, including Minsky.

    What are his premises? Likely the same as yours.
    Hence, the conclusion which follows.
  • muirgeo
    BS we have a politically controlled economy and it(until recently) has been the best thing the world has EVER seen.

    Or to put it another way... the best economy the world has EVER seen was not a free market economy WAS IT!?
  • MWG
    "BS we have a politically controlled economy and it(until recently) has been the best thing the world has EVER seen."

    "Too many years of free market policy has allowed such massive accumulations of wealth and power that it's probably too late...

    Different quotes, same moron...
  • muirgeo
    Yeah but it doesn't change the reality. Any honest person understands that policy has been deregulatory since Reagan and pushed more in the libertarian direction from tax cuts, to trade policies on and on...

    You are the ones who need to deny reality to protect your flawed ideology.

    The facts are clear. Your only pitiful defense is to claim this was not a complete free market so it's not a problem with free markets. That's dumb, dishonest and childish.
  • Any honest person understands that policy has been deregulatory since Reagan and pushed more in the libertarian direction from tax cuts, to trade policies on and on...

    Any person not blinded by partisanism realizes that what politicians say and what they give us are not the same thing.

    You do know that it was under Carter that airfares and trucking wre deregulated.

    The federal budget under Reagan expanded as much and more than under any president before him.

    And the regulatory budget grew significantly under the Bush.

    I guess you aren't an honest person. Your fraudulent signing of the climate petition is a sign of that.
  • MWG
    "Yeah but it doesn't change the reality."

    I think it's funny that you admit here that the two quotes ARE, in fact, contradictory.

    "The facts are clear."

    Obviously they're not based on your own contradictory statements.
  • As I said.
  • Mark
    Moregoo: "we have a politically controlled economy and it(until recently)"

    HAHAHAHA!!! UNTIL RECENTLY!!!

    Nice hedging, MoreGoo!!!

    "UNTIL RECENTLY"

    Muir "UNTIL RECENTLY" Geo!

    OMG he's hilarious.
  • muirgeo
    Well let me know of a country with a successful free market economy.
  • justpassingthrough2
    Let me know of a country with a successful oppressive/highly-regulated market economy that yields a sibilance of the living standards, growth, ingenuity, sustainability, et al that we're used to here in the US (which is now, tragically, slipping past nations in the European Union).

    Take a look at the most economically free countries in the world at the moment, and compare their economic circumstances with our own. Additionally, compare the recovery trend in their economy with our own.
  • Mark
    C'mon, googoo, you gotta admit that was pretty stupid, huh? Political management produced the best economy in the world "Until recently"?

    Dork!!!
  • muirgeo
    Until the recent libertarian trend of deregulating, tax cuts for the rich, free trade policy ect ect.

    This episode and the last Libertarian Lead Great Depression make quite clear the results of pushing policy in the direction the libertarians would have us do so... an unmitigated disaster.
  • justpassingthrough2
    How DARE we cut taxes for the highest producers! Insanity! Everyone knows that you grow the economy from the bottom! (See, that's sarcasm).

    On a related note, I'm still waiting for someone in the lowest tax bracket to hire me.

    Muirgeo, you wouldn't know Libertarianism, Natural Rights, and history if it repeatedly rapped you on the noggin'. At one point I thought you were merely misguided, deluded, ignorant, arrogant, and uneducated; now I realize that you really aren't that smart.
  • Mark
    "Until the recent libertarian trend..."

    Way to try to slither away from your ridiculous statement: "we have a politically controlled economy and it(until recently) has been the best thing the world has EVER seen."

    You're a joke!

    Move to France!
  • Mark
    "tax cuts for the rich"

    Translation: "I, muirgoo, am wildly envious of anyone who has more money than I do."
  • muirgeo
    "tax cuts for the rich"

    Translation: "I, muirgoo, am wildly envious of anyone who has more money than I do."

    Translation; " I , Mark, love paying taxes to bonus my Lord Llyod BlankF because my religion tells me that he does The Invisible Hand God's work. And I am a devout inculcated mind-be-numbed zoombie drone sheeple body-snatched brainwashed wanker dork tard retard tool lame poser brown-nose cheerleading faithful follower bitch wannabe ditto head conformist propagandized aggrandized impressionable child like concrete black and white group thinking lemming neocon Fox watching true believer Orwellian-like-character who stands on principles of liberty."
  • Mark
    Good job, Murgoo "we have a politically controlled economy and it(until recently) has been the best thing the world has EVER seen."

    Hahahahah!!!
  • brotio
    Tax rates were cut from 15, 28, 31, 36, and 39.6 percent to 10, 15, 25, 28, 33, and 35 percent.

    Note that people in the lower brackets received larger cuts, especially noticeable is that 28%-to15% cut.

    Yes, tax rates were cut for the rich, along with everyone else who pays taxes.
  • Mark
    "Too many years of free market policy..."

    This person should not be taken seriously.
  • muirgeo
    Probably more seiously than you. Because you presume to tell uis that free markets are best but this crash wasn't the fault of free markets because they weren't really free but can't answeer the question of what you base your claim of free markets if there are none that exist now or ever did.

    You have faith in a belief system. I am looking at the real world which obviously deregulated the markets ever since Reagan and Thactcher and the results are the same as the last time we did this under Haring, Coolidge and Hoover.

    I've got real world evidence . You have blind faith. The question of who should be taken seriously should be directed at you.

    You have a belief that amounts to proclaiming you are a willing lamb defnding the slaughterhouse you are about to enter.
  • "Too many years of free market policy..."

    And you are the one frequently saying that there has never been such a thing, yet you blame all ills on it.

    How do you live with the cognitive dissonance?
  • muirgeo
    Because I am able understand degrees of things.
    Your same argument is made by communist who say it never failed because it was never truly tried.

    The obvious real world evidence tells us when markets are poorly regulated or under regulated you get concentration of wealth, boom and bust cycles and market ineffeciency.

    Based on that why some one thinks going full tilt to a real live free market is a good idea can only be some act of faith. Some how the massive buffetting gets better once you get throughthe sound barrier? The presumption is based on both poor logic and is not supported by real world experience.


    I really want to know how your life would be better if we had a libertarian society.... well except for the hope that then you could have been elected and been a politiican for a living.
  • Then why do you say "free market policy"?
    That doesn't sound relative at all.
    When you make this claim, given an acknowledgment of "degrees", how do you purport to know that it's the "free market" part of the mix that is to blame and not any portion of the political part of the mix?

    Do you suggest that all economic evil springs from some mythical free market and none from political agency?

    How can you suggest that you understand degrees, then claim that evil only comes from some so-called "free-market" policies.

    I don't know what free-market policies of which you speak. I certainly see little evidence of it.
  • muirgeo
    "I don't know what free-market policies of which you speak. I certainly see little evidence of it." Sam


    Oh give me a break Sam. How about bucking up and being a little more intellectually honest? You want to tell me there was no difference in policy between the FDR/Truman/Kennedy years and the Reagan/Bush/Bush years?

    There clearly was and the results are clear as well.
  • Oh yeah, Kennedy cut tax rate. Johnson increased military involvement in Vietnam. The federal budget shrank under Truman.

    I think you are full of it. The federal government and/or regulatory bureaucracy expanded greatly under the latter three. You obviously take Republicans at their word when they say they support free markets. I don't
  • MWG
    "You obviously take Republicans at their word when they say they support free markets. I don't."

    So you're in favor of free markets? Muir you are a riddle...
  • Was I confusing?

    Muir is apparently persuaded by Republican pro-market rhetoric that they have, in fact, been busily passing pro free-market legislation for the years he mentions.

    Of course, he also bought into the hope and change of Wall Street's man.

    He appears to me to be profoundly intellectually dishonest with himself.
  • muirgeo
    Sam,

    I like well regulated markets and representative government. I don't like rigged markets and government for sale.

    I am an advocate of good governance and fair markets. I think they NEED each other and compliment each other. But you think markets will do society fine with almost no oversight. That's lunacy! I'm the rational one.

    And again I understand degrees of things while people here assume if you are pro-stop lights you must be a communist. SIMPLETONS!
  • Mark
    "I am an advocate of good governance and fair markets."

    Good governance from Barney Frank and Chris Dodd was working perfectly up "until recently", right murgoo?

    HAHAHAHAH!!!
  • While you suggest that free market can't exist because they never have, you suggest that well regulated markets and representative government (whatever that means) can exist even though they never have.

    All governments become, in very short order, oligarchies, and they are always run by some elite, the rich and powerful.

    Show me a government that isn't so.

    Straw man slayer, I don't know anyone that has a problem with traffic rules, we suppose they will exist even on private roads. In fact, they do.
  • Mark
    "obviously deregulated the markets ever since Reagan and Thactcher"

    You are a riot!

    "you are a willing lamb defnding the slaughterhouse you are about to enter"

    Slaughterhouses are run by totalitarian regulators like you, Moregoo!
  • muirgeo
    Mark,

    Could you please describe what your free market economy would look like? Would poverty rates increase or decrease? Would the middle class shrink or expand? Would wealth and power concentrate or diffuse? Would there be massive boom and bust cycles? Would the economy be more or less efficient? I suspect even I could prove all the answers to my questions were negative you'd still be all for it because you hate the idea of paying taxes so much.

    I think you guys hate paying taxes so much you deluded yourself into the belief that, as JMK said, "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."

    I really really really don't think you guys have bothered to think your philosophy through to any degree about what it would look like if brought to practice in the real world.

    Were you actually impressed when you read Lord of the Flies that that would be a good way to organize society?
  • justpassingthrough2
    We don't have a free market! We haven't had a free market in over ~80 years! You're buying into the garbage that your icons continue to assert. Disabuse yourself of this notion and you might begin to understand a modicum of economic data.

    Why do individuals such as you always look to Somalia as the supposed panacea of free markets? It's ridiculous, and speaks to your inability to see even the most blatant of facts/history. Using that logic, we might as well state that North Korea is your utopia.
  • danielkuehn
    RE: "Using that logic, we might as well state that North Korea is your utopia"

    Unfortunately, many people do just that on here. And it has about the same relevance and substance as when muirgeo cites Somalia. And yet for some reason the people that cite North Korea as a reason why I shouldn't support stimulus think they're considerably more sophisticated and insightful than muirgeo is!

  • MWG
    "Unfortunately, many people do just that on here. And it has about the same relevance and substance as when muirgeo cites Somalia."

    Actually N. Korea IS a good example of state control taken to the extreme (Too extreme, you're right) Somalia, on the other hand is NOT an example of freedom or free markets taken to the extreme... Quite the opposite.

    In other words, people who cite North Korea as an example of socialism are probably being too harsh. When muir cites Somalia as an example of a libertarianism, he's being dumb.
  • danielkuehn
    Ya - I'd agree with that. Maybe N. Korea is a decent if extreme candidate for socialism, but I don't think it represents my views any more than Somalia represents yours (which is ultimately the whole point of raising these purported "examples"). I was just using the analogy that justpassingthrough2 lead with.

    Regardless of the comparative relevance, neither example is very constructive.

  • Mark
    But we have you here to show us all how ignorant we are. Thanks, Dan.
  • muirgeo
    "We don't have a free market! We haven't had a free market in over ~80 years!"

    So 1929 was the last time we ad a free market??? How'd that work out?
  • justpassingthrough2
    I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. You do realize that Hoover/Congress was as pro-market as you are intellectually honest and economically savvy. People like you that keep regurgitating the same fallacious nonsense are as useless/misleading as Congressional cost estimates. Hair-brained blow-hards continue to mimic the damn lies of the Great Depression - and more importantly - what paved the way for the Depression. Hoover was FDR lite.

    Hoover, in the face of a sharp correction (after an overshoot), *drastically* raised taxes starting with the producers (the "rich"), instituted oppressive import tariffs, bloated the money supply by over 60%, et al. It's about as "unfree" as you can get. It's tantamount to setting kindling afire, throwing kerosene on the roaring fire, and then blaming the kindling for being combustible.

    The best course of action any of us can take with you is simply to ignore you. You're the annoying, yipping dog desperately begging for attention and a morsel from the master's table.
  • MWG
    JPT, you're late to the game. Everything you said has been said many... many times before.
  • danielkuehn
    Haha - so I don't like either hyperbolic response that regulation is killing us or regulation can do no wrong, but when you put it that way, 80 years was a pretty horrible time frame to use to proveh is case, wasn't it!
  • sandre
    Muir is an inveterate liar. On this blog, he has admitted that there were more regulations today than any other year in the history of the United states. He also admitted that the planners got they regulatory mix wrong. He has this urge to take refuge under his mistaken notions, he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to question his understanding and his judgement. Leave him alone. This blog, and the matters that it deals with are beyond his intellectual capacity.
  • Like I said, he is only out for attention. The more you ignore him, the stupider and more asinine his comments will be to illicit a response. Eventually he'll just go back to only commenting on HuffPo pieces and Kos columns.
  • Randy
    "Our kids are likely to be subjects of the new world order of Multi-National Lords."

    You should re-read Marx's Capital. You seem to believe that a sufficiently large government will not exploit the population. Marx understood that exploitation is a primary function of government. Just read it. You don't want to hear it from us, maybe you'll be more open to hearing it from him.
  • muirgeo
    Yeah but he also predicted the cancer phase of unregulated capitalism of which we are now in.
  • Randy
    Muirgeo,

    When Marx referred to "Capital", he was referring to a conspiracy of government and politically connected capitalists. In other words, very much like the system we have now. And while many here are certain to disagree with my interpretation, his idea of communism, the withering away of the "capitalist conspiracy", is not very different than what I mean by a "free market", that is, the end of political exploitation. Unfortunately, Marx also hung out with socialists and was therefore given to revolutionary rhetoric. He believed that the path to limited government lay in socialist government, and in this he was clearly a fool.
  • Mark
    We're unregulated! Ha! What a troll.

    Why don't we buy muirgoo a one-way ticket to Havana?
  • muirgeo
    And you a one way ticket to Somolia or Libertopia.
  • Mark
    Dude, your wit is razor sharp!
  • greego
    As above.
  • muirgeo
    Said the racist!
  • MWG
    ???
  • brotio
    Yasafi read that Arianna Huffington, or some other leftard has determined that the Obama-as-Joker poster is racist, while the Bush-as-Joker poster was just good, clean humor.
  • Christopher_Renner
    Come on, dude...can you at least cite a source for these incorrect opinions?
  • muirgeo
    My source is the current post Freidman economy and Llyod Blankfein himself telling you he is doing Gods work... and you ... you are one of my sources. A person seemingly complacent with that and actually thinking deregulating everything will make Mr Blankfein less powerful. That's just stupid-sh*&! And even Adam Smith understood that.
  • Christopher_Renner
    Well I'm, uhh...honored to be cited.
  • MWG
    Nice try...
  • He's like Kanye West...just out for attention. Ignore and eventually he will go away.
  • HaywoodU
    Do you think he likes fish sticks?
  • greego
    Don't feed the troll.
  • muirgeo
    Said the racist!
  • stevenmcduffie
    Don, if you weren't on the case, I wouldn't know anything about this stuff. I read every single one of these letters to the editor you post here at CH.
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