Other people’s money

by Russ Roberts on March 25, 2010

in Debt and Deficits

So you live beyond your means and rack up a bunch of bills you can’t cover. So you go to your rich uncle. He’s tapped out, alas. And tired of supporting you. So he goes to his rich uncle who’s even richer and known for his desire to keep the family name unsullied. But what if he’s tapped out? Those are my thoughts when I read this story that Sarkozy is supporting Merkel in getting the IMF to bail out the Greeks. The IMF is the richer uncle. Eventually the other guy runs out of money. We’re going to have to start borrowing from Mars or Venus soon.

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1 mesaeconoguy March 27, 2010 at 1:51 pm

No.

signed,
muirgeo

2 mesaeconoguy March 27, 2010 at 1:55 pm

Agreed, and if they do (incorrectly) uphold the unconstitutional individual mandate (which I believe they will do), that will be the signal to take up arms.

3 vikingvista March 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm

How do you always manage to pack so much wisdom into so few words?

People focus on the default repercussions of higher taxes, inflation, and social unrest. But like those who think recessions are the start of an economic problem (rather than the preceding bubble), these people don't realize that the debt, or rather the spending IS the problem. All of those costs of dealing with the problem cannot be avoided, only made worse by their delay.

4 vikingvista March 27, 2010 at 3:58 pm

Cafe Hayek comments contain the most brilliant one-liners on the Internet.

5 vikingvista March 27, 2010 at 4:06 pm

“Somalia is probably the best current example of a small government/tax free society”

So, you want to compare stateless Somalia to Barre's stated Somalia?

Kind of makes you wonder, then, how a stateless Kansas would compare to today's Kansas?

6 vikingvista March 27, 2010 at 4:09 pm

And, anarchy != chaos. Although, peaceful emergent orders would certainly seem far too chaotic to a central planner.

7 Sam Grove March 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm

I try.

Civilizations exist as long as production exceeds consumption.

The illusion engendered by political control of resources is that consumption can be had without production.

8 vikingvista March 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm

“there are no examples of modern successful libertarian societies”

Don't take the red herring. One could also argue that there has never been a totalitarian society. You could argue that nobody knows what water tastes like, because even distilled water contains some impurities.

In ANY society, voluntary and violent interactions exist. Libertarian interactions are commonplace in the USA. If people open their eyes most will see that those are precisely the interactions they enjoy the most and prefer. And they are demonstrated to work year after year. And where libertarian interactions dominate, so does peace and prosperity.

Don't accept the all-or-nothing fallacy.

9 Sam Grove March 27, 2010 at 4:29 pm

I've wondered if that the impetus behind health care reform is to bail on medicare and introduce rationing of related resources.

10 Sam Grove March 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm

“social cohnesion”?

11 martinbrock March 27, 2010 at 9:12 pm

A bond rating agency warns of a breakdown of social cohesion as politicians break promises to their citizens to keep promises to holders of entitlement to their citizens' taxes.

Hardly five years ago, I'm hearing that a $3.5 trillion deficit in the Social Security system (excluding Medicare), over the next 75 years, will suffocate the nation. Then the same people telling me so spend a trillion on a new Medicare drug benefit over ten years, another trillion on the Orwellian War on Terror in five years, a trillion to bail out creditors of every description over a few months, more trillions in related Fed programs, another trillion for “stimulus” in a single year, another trillion over a decade to further nationalize health care, all without doing a thing about that $3.5 trillion deficit over 75 years, which assumes the laughable “trust fund” from the get go. I haven't mentioned federal employee pensions and related benefits, because … well … the politicians never do. They only announce that the budget for the military-industrial complex is sacrosanct, and a ten percent tax on tanning salons will pay for it all. No. Really. I'm serious.

The biggest deficits since W.W. II, only without any W.W. II, and this time the deficits are systemic. After W.W. II, we demobilized. Millions of soldiers came home and left the Federal payroll. We don't have millions of soldiers to bring home this time.

12 Sam Grove March 27, 2010 at 9:33 pm

Oh, I'm with you on all that Martin. No doubt that smaller belt sizes will come into vogue.

I was wondering about that misspelling.

13 Paul Marks March 29, 2010 at 8:00 am

Of course not Mr Roberts, one need not wait for Mars or Venus – one can simply expand the money supply.

After all the “Economist” magazine thinks that works, just as it thinks more government spending is “stimulus” (even the near trillion Dollars that Comrade Barack Obama spent – ON TOP OF the orgy of “stimulus” and bailout money that George Walker Bush spent) and it thinks that yet more government intervention (making health care a “right” that is backed by the Federal government) is the way to respond to the high price of health care (in reality caused by the previous government regualtions and spending schemes that Obamacare ADDS to).

So if the “free market” Economist thinks that government spending is “stimulus” and that fiat money systems such as the Federal Reserve Dollar and Bank of England Pound and the European Central Bank Euro make sense……

Why not go the final step (the dream of Keynes) – convert the IMF and the World Bank into a world government (after all the “free market” establishment now believe in “international banking regulations” “tax agreements” and other world government stuff) with its own fiat currency – which it can inflate to create endless prosperity.

Of course, anyone who claims that the above is not “free market” at all is an evil “extremist” out of touch with practical life. The practical life of “too big to fail” bailouts, government spending as “stimulus”, more government intervention in health care as the “cure” for the effects of previous government interventions, and the expansion of the money supply as the way to prevent the bust caused by previous expansions of the money supply.

So no need for Mars or Venus – we are ruled by space aliens already. In politics, the education sytem, and the “mainstream” media.

14 Alejandro March 29, 2010 at 7:40 pm

I understand what you mean but find it a little naive. It was obvious that this was going to happen sooner or later, the european union is basically the rich countries giving some money to the poor while they catch up.
Germany didn´t need to adopt the euro when they had the DM. They did it for political reasons.

15 Alejandro March 29, 2010 at 11:40 pm

I understand what you mean but find it a little naive. It was obvious that this was going to happen sooner or later, the european union is basically the rich countries giving some money to the poor while they catch up.
Germany didn´t need to adopt the euro when they had the DM. They did it for political reasons.

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